The Year Crypto Grew Up: A Data Scientist's Take on Crypto Trends
27 Oct 2025 · 34:54
Daren Matsuoka, Head of Data and Fund Strategy at a16z, walks through the firm's State of Crypto 2025 report on how the industry matured over the past year. He covers rising institutional adoption, stablecoins processing trillions of dollars in annual transactions, and blockchain throughput improvements that have pushed transaction speeds up significantly. The conversation also touches on DePIN, zero-knowledge privacy technology, the intersection of crypto and AI, and progress toward regulatory clarity.
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Hey everyone, my name is Darren Matsuoka and I'm excited to present our 2025 state of crypto report. The Bitcoin white paper was released in October 2008, which means the crypto industry is about to turn 17 years old. It sure does feel a lot like a 17-year-old nearing the end of adolescence, just starting to step into adulthood, finally being taken seriously, but still plenty of growing up left to do. In 2025, crypto reached a new level of maturity. Let's take a look at the developments. First, the crypto market has gotten big, crossing $4 trillion in market cap for the first time with Bitcoin hitting new all-time highs. 2025 was also the year of institutional adoption with some of the world's most prominent companies moving into crypto. Stablecoins found
product market fit and became one of the hottest trends which brought more people on chain with new types of applications like pers prediction markets and deepin reaching new types of users. The blockchains were able to handle this new wave of adoption while keeping fees low. The result of many years of infrastructure developments, the opportunities at the intersection of the two most important technology trends, crypto and AI, became clear. And of course, the crypto industry in America is stronger than ever with new legislation in the works and a completely different regulatory posture. Let's start by zooming out and looking at where we're at in the broader crypto market cycle.
Throughout crypto's history, there has always been a feedback loop between prices, developers, and users. We call this the price innovation cycle. We saw it in 2017 during the ICO boom, in 2020 during DeFi summer, and in 2021 with the NFT surge. Each time prices go up, generating interest, then developers see the opportunity to build new products that bring in new users. But starting in 2022, we entered a very dark period for crypto. People lost confidence after the FTX collapse. The launch of ChatGpt shifted the attention toward AI. And the crypto industry was under a full-blown regulatory attack in the US. But we survived. Crypto prices started to climb again in 2024 with the launch of the Bitcoin and Ethereum ETFs, followed by a memecoin mania
that brought in more users. But unlike the DeFi and NFT waves, these things just weren't that interesting for developers. This wasn't like the other bull markets, which were driven by lots of new products and innovation. The good news is that we are very well positioned for the next developer-driven bull market. The stablecoin trend seems to be attracting a new type of builder. And with the regulatory shift and pending market structure legislation in the US, I'd hope to see a big inflow of talent into crypto in the coming years. Innovation has come from all corners of the crypto community. But if you look at the momentum in recent years, Bitcoin still dominates. It remains the ultimate store of value, and it's now worth more than half of crypto's total market cap.
Crypto is now a meaningful part of the modern economy. The top 10 assets in the world are all US tech companies or global commodities like gold. Speaking of gold, it's still 11 times larger than Bitcoin, presenting a 20 trillion gap to close as crypto competes as a store of value. Of course, macro dynamics matter a lot. Crypto prices are heavily influenced by things like interest rates, and their correlation to other assets can shift over time. Sometimes Bitcoin looks like a safe haven correlating more with storeof value commodities like gold. Other times it looks like a risk asset behaving more like high growth tech stocks in the NASDAQ. When we did a geographic analysis on how crypto is being used, we found something interesting. Indicators of onchain activity tend to point toward
developing countries whereas indicators of interest in trading tokens skew toward developed nations. This makes sense because crypto is needed most in countries with unreliable financial infrastructure or those that lack economic or political stability. We also looked at which ecosystem seem to be drawing in the most developers. Ethereum and its layer 2, Solana and Bitcoin seem to be most popular among builders today. Beyond that, there's also some newer emerging ecosystems worth keeping an eye on. There are many dimensions to the size of the crypto market, but one we're really interested in is how many people are active onchain users of crypto. Our team did an analysis based on wallet user data, onchain forensics,
and some discussions with portfolio companies and industry partners. Our rough estimate is that there are now 40 to 70 million people interacting with crypto on chain monthly. This is a wide range because it's very difficult to know for sure, but we think the industry gained about 10 million users from our estimate last year. This is just a small fraction of the total number of people who own crypto and is also just a fraction of the total number of monthly active addresses. 2025 has been the year of institutional adoption. The world's largest financial institutions aren't just exploring crypto. They're making real commitments. For the first time, they see the opportunity for crypto to reshape their businesses. We saw big IPOs and acquisitions,
new corporate blockchains, real world asset tokenization, and large scale stablecoin payment rails. And these announcements don't seem to be slowing down anytime soon. The ETFs have also been picking up steam with over $175 billion in onchain crypto holdings. Black Rockck's Bitcoin ETF has been commonly cited as the most successful ETF launch of all time and the Ethereum ETFs have seen notable inflows in recent months. These products make crypto more accessible for investors, unlocking a huge amount of institutional capital that's historically been on the sidelines.
Another massive trend in 2025 has been these digital asset treasury companies, which are publicly traded entities that accumulate crypto on their balance sheets. These companies now hold a significant amount of tokens. Between these DATs and the ETFs, Bitcoin and Ethereum now have around 10% of their total token supply in publicly traded vehicles. We'll see how this all plays out, but it's definitely had an impact on the market. Big public companies are now talking about crypto in large part due to stablecoins. The number of mentions in SEC filings has skyrocketed and the topic is frequently brought up on earnings calls from companies like Visa, City and PayPal. These companies have massive distribution and if the developments continue, crypto could become deeply integrated into the financial
services we use every day. I think stablecoins are crypto's first killer use case. The data supports this. Stablecoins have done $9 trillion in adjusted transaction volume in the last year, constantly hitting new all-time highs. To put that into perspective, that's more than the volume of PayPal and quickly approaching the volume of Visa and AC. It's incredible to see stablecoins in the mix among these massive global payment networks that have been around for decades. It's no surprise that stablecoins are just now starting to pick up momentum. And it's all driven by the infrastructure improvements of the last couple years. With lowcost, high throughput L1's like Solana and new Ethereum L2s like Bass, stablecoins are finally a good product for payments. Stablecoins are now the cheapest way to send a dollar in less than one second for less
than 1 cent. Compare that to traditional payment rails, which are slow, fragmented, and full of middlemen all trying to take a cut. The future of payments will be built around stablecoins. Stablecoins are also shaping the national stage, emerging as a significant source of demand for US debt. In just 10 years, they've become a top 20 holder of US treasuries, surpassing entire countries like Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Israel, and Germany. Stablecoin supply is at an all-time high. And another great stat is that over 1% of the total US dollar supply is now tokenized as stablecoins. On the issuer side, it's a two- horse race between USDC and Tether, but with the new regulations coming online,
the door is opening for new entrance. On the infrastructure side, Ethereum and Tron continue to dominate. But in recent months, we are seeing some notable growth on other chains, which is something we'll be watching closely. What makes me most excited about stablecoins is the fact that all this activity seems to be uncorrelated with broader crypto trading volume, which is a sign of organic use and product market fit. For a long time, stablecoins were criticized for only being used to settle speculative crypto trades. But this data shows otherwise. If you look closely at the shape of these two graphs, you can see a viral loop that's with stablecoin activity that's independent from trading. That's because stablecoins have many uses.
The stablecoin opportunity for the United States is more clear than ever, which has helped build momentum on the policy side. On one hand, the country's national debt is growing out of control, and the demand for that debt is waning. For the first time in 30 years, foreign central banks hold more reserves in gold than US treasuries. On the other hand, stablecoins, a buyer of US debt, as we saw earlier, is projected to grow into the trillions of dollars with over 99% denominated in USD. Stablecoins present a path to sustain dollar dominance. With all this momentum building with stablecoins and institutional adoption, more people are coming on chain. Just look at the share of crypto trading volume on decentralized
versus centralized exchanges. Nearly 20% of spot trading now happens in DeFi. A number that has grown fairly steadily since the category emerged in 2020. But the spot market tells only part of the story. A huge trend this year has been onchain derivatives, which has allowed new protocols like Hyperlid to generate trillions of dollars in volume and over a billion dollars in revenue. More specifically, perpetual futures emerged as the ideal product for crypto speculators, allowing people to take leveraged positions long or short. This is a natural evolution of DeFi. And with new players entering the space, a changing regulatory environment, and lots of money at stake, I think the story here is far from over. Key to the long-term success of DeFi will be bringing real world assets on chain. This is the bridge to traditional finance,
which is a multi-t trillion dollar opportunity. It's still early days, but we now have 30 billion in tokenized assets across a variety of different asset types, blockchains, and issuers. Another exciting category in crypto is DIN or decentralized physical infrastructure networks. Existing physical infrastructure networks like telecom, energy, and transportation are often natural monopolies. DPIN offers a new way forward. Helium is a pioneer in this category, providing 5G cellular services to millions of users through their decentralized network of over 100,000 userowned and operated hotspots.
The World Economic Forum projects the deepin category will grow to $3.5 trillion by 2028. The full spectrum of what can be built on crypto is vast from real world assets to physical infrastructure to internet culture. And whether you like them or hate them, memecoins have been an important part of crypto's story. Over 13 million coins have been launched, which might be a symptom of crypto's lack of regulated market frameworks. The activity seems to be subsiding a bit, but like other categories, it's worth watching how the space evolves. For example, the NFT market has evolved quite a bit. We're nowhere near the highs of 2021 and 2022 when it comes to trading volume, but when you look at the number of active buyers, the metrics look pretty strong. This
is because the industry shifted from speculation to collecting, and this was only made possible by the new lowcost blockchains of recent years. NFTs are not dead. They've just taken on a new form. A lot of people said that prediction markets would only be popular around election cycles. But the recent traction we've seen in this space tells a different story. Unleashed by new regulatory tailwinds, Poly Market and Khi have been fiercely competing for their piece of what appears to be a growing pie of users. The intersection with traditional sports betting is now inevitable and it will be exciting to see the role that crypto can play.
There will always be more work to be done on blockchain infrastructure, but we've reached an important tipping point. Blockchains are now fast, cheap, and reliable enough to power most of today's mainstream applications. To put blockchain scaling into context, let's look at the actual transactions processed per second compared to some of the largest financial systems. Just 5 years ago, blockchains processed less than 25 transactions per second in aggregate. Since then, we've increased TPS by over a 100x, which now puts blockchains at a similar throughput to NASDAQ trades, peak stripe transactions, and total card transactions globally. A big contributor to blockchain scaling is Solana, which has become one of the most important projects in crypto. Its TPS
has risen steadily since its launch, and they have plans to double capacity by the end of the year. But most importantly, the applications built on top of Solana are earning billions of dollars in revenue, creating an onchain hub for economic activity. Ethereum has also continued to execute on its scaling roadmap, shifting most of its activity into the layer 2 ecosystem. The result was a drop in average transaction fees of $24 on L1 in 2021 to less than 1 cent on L2 in 2025. And this was all done while increasing total throughput by over 10x during that same period.
Crypto has become multi-chain and the bridging infrastructure is now more robust than ever. Billions of dollars flow between canonical bridges like Hyperl and Arbitum as well as application bridges like layer zero and circle. As blockchains continue to scale, the fee markets mature, and new applications emerge, it's important to consider real economic value, which is how much people are actually paying to use these blockchains. Fees are not the only thing that matters, and it's a nuanced metric because it's a function of both the demand and supply of block. But still, it's worth noting that ecosystems like Solana and Hyperlid are capturing a majority of economic activity today. A huge shift from the Bitcoin and Ethereum dominated world in previous years.
As crypto goes mainstream, people are going to expect financial privacy. The good news is that we now have the infrastructure and tools to achieve this in a way that's also compliant. People have long understood the importance of privacy for crypto. Projects like Zcash have been around for almost a decade. But now in 2025, we're finally starting to see some real adoption. It's hard to understate how important ZK technology will be for the future of blockchains for privacy and scaling. ZK proofs have been around for 40 years, but it's the practical applications in the crypto industry that rapidly accelerated progress. This has led to ZK being deeply integrated into the technical roadmap of today's tops. And it's also unlocked nonblockchain applications such as Google's new ZK identity system. Quantum computing
has been in the news a lot recently and today $750 billion worth of Bitcoin sits in quantum vulnerable addresses. The NSA alongside NIST has issued guidance stating that US national security systems must use postquantum algorithms by 2035. While the time horizon for quantum computing is still very unclear, many blockchain communities including Bitcoin have started to accelerate their postquantum road maps. This is a complex challenge worth getting ahead of. What could be more exciting than two of the most important technology trends converging. There are clear opportunities for crypto to solve some of AI's most pressing challenges. We all see how difficult it's becoming to distinguish between AI and human activity. New proof of human identity
systems like world could be the answer. And there are already more than 17 million humans verified. We've also seen a surge in interest in AI agents, but for them to reach their full potential, they need to engage economically. Crypto using standards like X42 might be the only viable payment rail. AI runs on intellectual property, but the current systems we have for coordinating and transacting don't scale. Blockchains can make IP programmable, unlocking an 80 trillion market. And of course, AI is a very centralizing technology, increasingly concentrating power into big tech. Decentralized compute can help keep AI open, permissionless, and neutral.
Entrepreneurs and investors recognize the opportunity. Over 20% of crypto startups are now building in this new crypto AI category. We've gotten a lot of questions around how much talent the crypto industry has been losing to AI. To answer this, we analyzed job movements into and out of crypto from other industries. While we have lost some talent to AI startups since the launch of ChatgBT, we've gained talent from other industries like finance and tech. Although it's difficult to assess the quality of talent from this data alone. The world needs more decentralization. The compute resources AI is trained with, the infrastructure AI runs on, and the revenue that AI generates has consolidated
into a handful of big companies. The reality is that the only real growth in the American economy is coming from the magnificent seven who are all capitalizing on AI. The remaining 493 companies in the S&P 500 are in aggregate growing at less than the rate of inflation. But crypto could change the dynamics. And the good thing is the United States is finally embracing the opportunity. In 2025, the US took major steps forward on crypto legislation, bringing long awaited regulatory clarity to the industry. The Genius Act, which establishes a clear framework for stablecoins, passed both the House and Senate with overwhelming bipartisan support and was signed into law by the president. Meanwhile, the Clarity Act,
a broader market structure bill, has already passed the House on a bipartisan basis and is now moving through the Senate. Together, these bills signal that crypto is here to stay in America, creating a durable foundation that transcends administrations and shifting political winds. As we continue to progress on the legislative front, the new administration has already completely changed the regulatory approach to crypto. Federal agencies have moved quickly with legal actions, new rules, statements, guidance, and initiatives which have been overwhelmingly supportive of the crypto industry. This spans across the White House, the SEC, the CFTC, and many other regulators. This couldn't be more different from the self-described anti-crypto army in the previous administration.
With this new regulatory environment, the path is finally opening up for tokens to complete the economic loop by generating revenue that acrus to token holders. To date, only a small percentage of tokens are productive value acrewing assets, which makes it difficult to reason about valuations relative to fundamentals. But as the rules become more clear, I expect things will change, which should have a really positive impact on the overall market for tokens. The crypto industry is getting much more mature. The crypto market moves quickly and as a result, all this data we shared can change as new trends inevitably emerge. So this year, we wanted to find a way we could keep some of our key state of crypto metrics updated throughout the year. This will live on our new
state of crypto dashboard, which features metrics like stablecoin volume, mobile wallet users, ETF flows, and more. It also includes data on builder activity across blockchains, categories, technologies, and geographies. And you can check it all out at stateof crypto.6crypto.com. So, what's next for crypto? Personally, I couldn't be more excited about the road ahead. After 17 years, crypto has finally grown up. We have the infrastructure, the distribution, and the regulatory clarity to take this technology mainstream. So now is the time to upgrade the financial system, rebuild global payment rails, and create the internet that the world deserves. Thank you.
We we are now going to transition into a quick Q&A and our CTO Eddie Lazarin also has a microphone and is available to answer any questions as well. Great job. Thank you. I thought the uh data particularly around Hyperlquid was especially stark. Um and you seem to indicate that in your view it was really around the innovation of a specific derivatives contract. We look at the broader financial industry there are so many other you know non-analogous things happening everything from credit default swaps to other stuff. Is there any sense in your mind about where there is demand pressure for specific kinds of derivative that either for technological or legal reasons you know are not showing up in the data? Yeah it's
a good question. I think uh first of all I'd say like this is kind of a natural evolution of DeFi. uh you know we started with kind of the simple stuff and you know as there as there uh becomes more demand for more sophisticated type products we're going to see that uh evolve now that we have cheap block space a lot of this stuff is is possible and so I think we're kind of just getting started with the types of innovation that we could see in DeFi u but certainly we'll see how the the space all plays out I think we're still pretty early on that front You showed the slide where credit card payments roughly have a 2 to 3% payment processing fee along with a 30 cent charge compared to stablecoins that only have 1 cent per transaction. I was curious if you knew what the percentage associated with fraud, disputes,
etc. comes into play with the credit card processing because clearly stablecoins don't have those mechanisms in place and as they mature they will need to. Yeah, Eddie. It's it's a it's a great it's a great question. Of course, the 3% plus 30 cents fee internalizes those costs to some degree. You know, we can debate how much of that that percent reflects the payment processor's market power, right? Their ability to charge some price above the actual cost of offering those extra services. But it's definitely the case that in stablecoins, those are externalized. Some early evidence is that some payment processors like Stripe who do offer stablecoins as an alternative al alternative settlement path tend to charge 1.5% all in. So half the price all in. Now that that's I think that's a good comp because the same agent
is charging that price which means they have maybe the same market power. So we can kind of cancel that out of the equation so to speak, but it does reflect net lower significantly net lower cost. This isn't a very specific question, but I think it's going to be challenging because it's like asking you to pick your favorite child. Um, many of the teams internally have kind of toiled over this data for a long time. What was the most shocking or most astounding thing to you? Um maybe most important takeaway from the entire report. Yeah, Eddie and I have actually talked about this and we sort of like joke that the answers to this question is sort of a copout, but I think really
the most interesting thing about the report is that we have all of these things that have come together in a really nice way, right? And it speaks to the maturity of the industry, right? like everything from the institutional adoption to the infrastructure improvements to, you know, the regulatory clarity that we're finally starting to get. All of these things together I feel like tell the story. And so I know that's a little bit of a copout answer, but it's it's uh you know, really what surprised me the most is just how cohesive the narrative has become um around crypto really growing up and ready to take on the world. Yeah. I mean, we we almost should have called the report the no more excuses guys report because everything is everything's going the right way, right? I there's no one specific stat I mean maybe the stablecoin
volume is somewhat shocking. the decoupling. I really love the decoupling slide. But uh I think across every in almost every interesting infrastructural and regulatory area in the space there's undeniable progress and I think that as a whole is very exciting. Co from Alo I appreciate the report Darren especially that slide on privacy. Why do you guys think that there's been such an uptick on privacy? What's been the generation for that? I I I I wish I knew. I mean, we should we should check the chain and see if there's any clues, but they're well hidden. I do. You think there's anything to do with the stablecoin stuff? Yeah,
I I I actually think it does. Uh I love using all these privacy things. I use them every chance that I get and I'm We love you, too. Yeah. And I'm constantly struck by how uh not talking about you guys, but how terrible the UX still is. It's terrible, but at least it works. And that's that's pretty mind-blowing. It really does actually like literally work. Um I can't say what exactly it is that it's driving the popularization. But my if I had to kind of pick one general shape, it's that once you start moving more things on chain and you get more comfortable with using more things on chain, looking at your stuff, looking at other people's stuff, parking stablecoins, using DeFi apps, it kind of becomes obvious that you're letting all your stuff hang out there and you know, you're you're waving
at you're flapping in the wind, so to speak. And I think the more cryptonative people I talk to, they the more they hear about private options, the more interested they become, right? just because they say, "Oh, wait a sec. Why don't I just mix this into my thing? Why don't I just layer on this extra app or this extra service?" I I I'm I'm super bullish on I talk about all the time. Every the podcast we put out today, I mention it in each one. I think it will I think privacy is going to become a really obvious secondord demand, right? A second order demand from the popularization of these things because people take it for granted. The idea that they don't care is totally absurd to me. Thank you. And co we've talked about this a little bit too but like as the institutions come in right like the expectation is that there is privacy right and
so I think like the more institutional adoption that we see the more kind of mainstreaming of the technology the more people and businesses are going to expect financial privacy and and so that in itself could be a catalyst for kind of the whole privacy movement uh which is great. Uh, great job. This was really awesome and I can imagine the hours it took to put it together. So, thank you. What other data sets do you guys have around adoption of crypto by kind of non-crypto people around the world? So, a couple of the stats I've heard are that in Korea and Turkey over 50% of just normal people have crypto wallets and trade. So, that kind of broader normie adoption
would be really interesting to see. Yeah, we've done a little bit of like the geographic analysis uh as part of some of our discussions internally. Um, you know, I think the the big takeaway which we sort of saw in the report is that countries like uh South Korea and uh Australia and some of these other developed nations uh that have this culture of you know speculation and you know they they're naturally kind of drawn to trading tokens. uh we've seeing a lot of uh increased activity in those regions and then kind of on the other side of the spectrum you know you've got the developing countries like you said Turkey uh huge percentage of the population uses stablecoins Argentina uh based on kind of mobile wallet data we're seeing a huge uh uptick there and so hard to
say on the specifics you know I'd say we look a lot at like some of the mobile wallet data as well as you know web traffic that's kind of what derived the analysis that was in the report um but it's definitely an interesting question and one that I think is worth continuing to evaluate. Um, yeah, one thing that might be interesting, I know a couple VCs have showed me you can actually buy credit card data and you could see which ones are being used to purchase crypto. Yeah, that's interesting. We should we should look into that. Hey guys, um, last year it felt like the theme was really the main risk in the industry was legal clarity and regulatory clarity. Um, feels like we've come a long way since then. I'm curious from your guys' perspective. What is the next key risk or bottleneck that we have to knock down as an industry? It's a it's a it's a great
question. I mean, that's why I said no excuses, right? Like I don't it's not obvious to me what they are. Yeah. I I think there is a point the the regulatory changes are sudden but hard to incorporate, right? It's not a thing that's just a light switch where all of a sudden all but a 100 apps are live and work or whatever. So I think there's a certain cooking time that you need in order for all the integrations and the development uh and the markets to form around new specific applications. So that's kind of what I'm waiting for is just ev evolution of these things. The feedback loop where more users and more applications build on more things and learn what works and what doesn't work. That's kind of what I expect. I'll I'll park that there with the regulatory. The other honestly, and I I hate to be beating a dead horse all the time,
but the UX is horrible. Our industry is absolutely embarrassingly bad when it comes to the user experience. I test this all the time. I'm always trying to onboard new people. The number of cognitive traps, friction points, confusing things you need to learn is vastly beyond any reasonable person's willingness to learn. It's just totally unacceptable. It's only reasonable for people who think they're going to make a million dollars or for a bank that thinks they're going to save a million dollars. Right? Those are the two people that it's working for. And it makes sense that that's who is attracted to it. If we want it to be normally accessible, there's just so much more we need to do on the wallet, UX, signing, privacy, safety, security side. It's crazy. So, uh, great job guys. That was really impressive report. Um, one thing that we're seeing on the
uh the the stablecoin side is um just a lot of interest in trying to measure the utility of the the stablecoins obviously beyond trading. Um there's kind of like this concept that I call the the time to live of the stablecoin that kind of like measures the the time essentially spent by between the the mint and the burning of of the stablecoin. Um, and obviously our goal as an industry, I feel like on on the stablecoin side is to just incentivize the stablecoin to stay as a stablecoin. And this is you just bring more and more value as the the stablecoin stay on as a stablecoin. Curious to hear on your end, how are you thinking about measuring something like this, measuring the utility uh that the industry brings to stablecoins to incentivize them to stay as stablecoins? It's a good question. I That's a tough one. Yeah,
you got me. Sorry. Yeah, we we've got some work to do. I I do think right like it would be good to try to quantify the different types of uses like how stablecoins are being used specifically, right? I think there is certainly a basket of use cases that are just, you know, they want to protect against inflation from their local currency so they hold it as like a store of value. We're definitely kind of seeing that. Uh the payment stuff is really interesting, but also, you know, kind of hard to to track. We can look at like the size of the transfers to look to see what is kind of retail size. We've seen, you know, a lot of analysis around that. It's so it's so hard to quantify surplus value in any in any industry. Like this is not a crypto specific thing. It's just, you know, you typically look at the willingness to pay of the buyer,
right? Uh but you know that the price the price of a good depends on so many other factors. It's just incredibly difficult to capture surplus value. Yeah. Because the thing that you guys me like showed is not the stablecoin sandwich, right? Where like it's like fiat in, fiat out, and then stablecoin as a settlement. um that's a lot more expensive, but stablecoin just transfers is where you get kind of all the value. So would love to would love to let's work on it together. Thank you for the I would love for the idea. Oh yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Darren. Great job.