Where Routescan Fits in The Modular Thesis
24 Mar 2024 · 12:19
The Rollup's Andy interviews Jack, founder of Routescan, live from ETHDenver during Modular March, on the block explorer's growth to more than 50,000 users. They discuss the indexing challenges created by a multi-chain modular landscape and how Routescan is embracing modularity by unlocking unified block explorers across appchains, rollup frameworks, and subnets.
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[Music] [Applause] [Music] he bu hey Jack how are you man good to have you with Den yes woish second round of interviews isan yeah rout scans a giga Giga company now three months later yeah
no no no but but we we grw yeah we me we grew over the last 3 months two four months now we you know for we have last better chain and I can now say we have Tao Tao scan is coming um we already got the the C light score for ION and uh I must say if all the things come through de we may have 10 new more explorers guys for a seamless good chain future I'm happy to hear that and I was telling you what one of the things I'm most bullish about with rout scan is how you got this big modular things just going on but it's really about unlocking all these new all this new blocks this through all these different op chains general purpose rollups elf to KN ZK
stat op St St arbitr orbit what excites me about what you guys are building is that correct me if i l but you're going to where the users are you're you can meet projects where they are and scale route scan to almost an infinite number of chains there a lot of server costs yes but that's what that's what's very exciting about uh where you guys all the thing is just uh just in you know here Ember we we're constantly trying to understand how to make this little business one sustainable um you know and thing is for high profile chains uh we have you know we have this uh try we try to understand how to best service all the chains but right now because the op
stack am 44844 like thenit employees to like lower the cost like by 90% so most chains will have like $1,000 a l of of cost so how can we actually do that cuz you know uh eel is charging one p we char 80% less for the same little kind of chain but how can we service the man like low low TPS chain like the TPS that build the chains that are like really low TPS and then maybe grow over time so like yeah maybe let's let's find let's find a way the which which you pay like they pay as you go uh Explorer servess and and then you can just simply switch
to price one of the best SS where you when you grow if you grow when you grow yes sense so like like most chains that pay $11,000 on or on for for cost of chain or pay I don't know $3,000 for with W as a service provider you know and service and pay would would have to pay like $500 US where ether can like block four and then if to they grow yes they may be paying more money but then they can come to us and say okay we're going like to 10 10 TPS let's not you know please let's not pay I don't know 1 million per year but let's keep the down how we're going to have a more like fixed fee um kinde of thing and so that's that's basically the the single
call to actually the map right now is we want to service even the lowest tier of of the the longest tails and because there going to be so many all the new chains yes like gold the old gold chain the all three that is going on all the stack well now I do this is what I mean this is what I'm saying it's game that now it settles on one Bas like they may be having like one TPS because it's it's a game so how many transaction can you make and um there is yeah it's a strategic game so it's not like def game so strategic so maybe they have one two TPS and so maybe they'll pay like $500 for an explore that and also if that since they settle on base for the first three months it's going to be for free
because we are subsidizing for the r bgf yes and that's what we're going to do you know we make sure that we don't want chart CHS like if there's some initiatives like rgf then we don't mind it's for us it's a public good yes it's a business right and you know every company in crypto has to figure out how to keep uh consistently uh grow and and and feed the ball and be sustainable um but the beauty of a lot of these Grant programs and things is that you know you could offer subid as cost and I foresee a world where rout Canan is The Walking Store for every new app chain for all these new general purpose chains that allows you to kind of also strategically plac to bets in a way with different chains at the ear stages uh which I
think is probably exciting for you guys yeah the thing is every new chain that even the biggest or the lowest would be integrated our rout scan platform that you know like we now have 50,000 users that only use rout scan as the main Explorer like they don't use the single chain on they just use the drout scan as the goe right and this is this is you know increasing you know we have like 100 a th000 users in July 9 last year but now we have 50,000 50,000 users just use rout scan. i instead of using the sub domains and all you know the sub explorers and you guys can put them all together as well correct super scan correct is the optimistic stack it so being super scan while you able to T be L1 also index and aggregate L3 settling on base correct all super skin yes so
super skin should be the blocking score for every single L3 and L2 in the office but we got to tell you more we we actually recently acquired the based scan domain um So based based scan will be the E is the based Explorer oral super scan but the thing is it will also be the ecosystem Explorer for chain kit C maze no way so the thing is is this the alpha is this the announcement no no this is not the alpha but the thing is but the thing is um if you want to have an idea what's actually settling on a specific chain we will have that so we will have like specific explorers that may become ecosystem explorers of their own because of new chain and cell on town right so with with base scan you
can effectively be beer scan if you will of Bas C that scales that scales to a world where not only is rout scan as a company everywhere with all these new chains but the individual like sub domains or sub uh explorers are the main Explorer for that ecosystem correct and that's just like route scan is the brand that holds it and then those ecosy are all there and then there's just the experience let's let the experience of bit why do you think that you guys have seen this level cess how is base scan and uh optimize to be just the best bucks were L all so the basic idea is that um and this is something that that I just talked about the n and talk 30 minutes ago is that uh chains pay exors but chains do not choose the Explorer
they want because chains want developers and developers bring users so a chain wants to bring users they need to acquire Developers and so the thing is the the really the real decision makers of locks your choice are buers so is curs AES or whatever other other um big complication that compound or whatever they are used to the ethos scan interface right now that's what a chain that is going to be you know have AAR developers want right so that's that's our case so we want to have but the thing is the the front end yeah it's pretty the same you know it's similar to
scan and people don't want something completely new correct they want something that they're used to with maybe some better function they want to developer a block score that is a developer too right just uh you need to you know mean if something is not working you can like ride the contract directly from the Block score Y and and that that is one business and so basically um we are see that the people want more of like developers want more of these but for every every Z block of of chain from the highest tiers to the lowest tiers but the other thing is that we need to look at the at the users as well so that's why we are like we are trying to continue to use R scan as a money making machine but say and we will
have a lot of traction with that with that but at the same time we're also experimenting on AA scan so AA scan is what we think would be with bu for the future it's not it's not there yet no it's but it's the ground for experimentation and we will have have a lot more feature over there with staking um like new buttons will be a platform where you can actually interact easily as a user not the best smart contract correct because PR up not to catch you off there but on the on the interface of Def excoit in 2020 there was there was times in the you explo the website but you can still withdraw from the SW contest but only like like the Nitty Gritty developers would know that's I don't assume that Davis scan and R scan
will get it all the way down to like the the easiest in for the but something maybe 3 five years yeah like more comp of it yes that's a that's a multi-year journey to understand how because right now you know there are a lot of rockers provids like like social scan one Scout and Thora and L everyone needs run to get it own flavor water block supposed to be but some of them some of them are advertising themselves as for user friendly as academic friendly as a um analyst friendly yeah the thing is still don't what be we do know that metal burst want a e scan light H because that's what the B used to and that's what the you know use good so that's
cross hand that's what the the single thing that we do we did was take e SC that make it native we know that when you develop a frost you can simply develop the on the same address on multile chains also with all the work room to his L Aven integrated and that's the E just way that you can actually have a unified experience for a develop so that's the single thing that we did like we just ether skud saying okay yeah single chain is not going to happen people developers don't even need to care about which should choose which chain going to play on because like a lot of obligations are 20 chains you just well P out of M 30 chains whatever
how can you manage all that they to deploy these single explorers every time no so they just have one a single Explorer they use SE the contracts and everything for a single web the website and as I kind of in the beginning it will just continue to allude to is that this B of thesis this this this idea of more mock sheets more walks space more ABS willips more subnets more every more chains you have us position the very uh uh dominant and also good uh frog hard fit spot so I can I excited to continue to see the growth and um any closing thoughts I know you're feeling very bullish and
yeah uh the closing thought is uh since the them you know deals who seem to be closed like this um I think we I think we we can have we can say that uh on BR scan you will be able to see like 10% of coin Market C I am here W more than another chains W every roll up architecture in super skin Optimist stack op stack super chok team super scan Avalanche AA scan and subnets as well pure take over on you got that Tee thanks Jack goodw nice F good work