Trustless Agents (ERC-8004) Call #2

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Yeah. So we'll start um Marco will actually give an overview of like uh where we are and kind of the timeline like all the things that are happening around um ERCA 2004. Then we'll walk through the reference implementation like briefly like point to it. Uh many of you have seen that u uh we actually deployed on test net like uh last week. Um and then uh Leonard will also dive into like the SDK. Uh it's pretty exciting like now that the spec is kind of like in the uh state towards uh being finalized. Um I think it's pretty cool that um uh we kind of

need to take it to the next level and make it easier for people to like uh use connect to uh 804. Um then uh we'll talk about like uh the trustless agents day like what it means uh for um projects especially for the ones that will be there. Um then we'll talk about a few other events that are happening around the connect. Um, and then finally, we have eight demos already scheduled from like some pretty cool projects that I'm very excited about.

Yeah. So, maybe I pass it on to Marco. Yes. Okay. You can keep the slide going. Um, first of all guys, I really wanted to like acknowledge how much we have done as a community in true months. So true mom sold this wasn't existing and so I think that this is a good opportunity to zoom out and see where we are at a higher level and see what will happen in the next few months because a lot has happened but a lot still have to uh still has to happen and in terms of infra we spent September listening to your feedback to the spec we released the spec just a couple weeks ago uh we didn't we will not go through the new

spec here today because we have a very packed agenda But uh we will share now in the slide in the in the chat the the tweet thread that goes through the new spec if you want. We just released the the smart contracts on test net six days ago and teams are just starting to to test them. It's very important to test the contracts because we will soon start to deploying them on mainet with a distributed governance of a contract. So 2014 will not control the the mainet contracts and and after that we will focus on of course expanding to more chains. There are more chains that many chains that are reaching out to us to to have the contracts deployed on on their chain as well. We don't expect any relevant changes to the spec just small

stuff and it's totally fine to realize these small changes building on the spec. So this is is a is a feature is not a bug. So in the next like month or so based on your feedback on what we realize using the smart contracts we we could decide to to do some very small uh change and then we will do what's called in the Ethereum community the spec last call in December which means that there are I think a couple of weeks to to just really uh formalize the spec and and then fro froze them. So this was what we have worked up to now and now we are entering a new phase for 804 which is all around tooling and make uh the developer experience easy. Developers

shouldn't read ERC's. ERC's should like disappear. If an ERC is successful, nobody remembers about the technical name. we should just switch to to easy um SDK that uh that directly abstract the the the ERC and make it usable. We already um have seen a few wrappers today. Leonard will show a few but I suspect that the work on SDKs is just about to start and together with SDKs we need to create guides and docs related to usually to SDKs to enable developers to to build on this. This is not here yet. Again, it's just six days. Many of you are already working on this and it

this is just to set the stage. So, in the next few weeks, you will see more and more very easy to use SDK popping up and guides. And this will be I think the the great trigger to make sure that what we're building here is not just something of well hundreds of people but shifting to maybe thousands uh because the building on that would become easier and after that we will also start building the infra that we need as an ecosystem to to work even just basic stuff like where are the agents which are the explorers how can I index them how can I aggregate reputation now that we have the contracts we can start building on that. I think we'll have like production grade stuff for this slightly later. So it will maybe take

three to four weeks, not less. While for the SD case, I think we'll have good stuff in one, two weeks. Again, we're all building this together. So it's really up to you, not just up to us or me. And and then maybe in December, we will start uh seeing fullyfledged SAS dev tooling which also operates in this space. Not just 8,0004. 80004 is super close to X42 to many uh to MCP to A2A. So the more we go into the developer tooling space, the more it will not just be about just 804 but everything around the genetic economies. Now let's talk about product. So up to now also in the last call we have seen many PC I would call them mockups brainstorming thinking what we could build and now that we have

the the software in test net we can start thinking about prototypes and I know that many teams are starting to think about actual products and are building on that think we will need a few more weeks to to see the first fully fledged product I think in a couple of weeks we will see the first one many of you are reaching out I know that many of you are working on that And after that we will enter new phase that will last well forever which is iterating around product uh market fit which is the only thing that matters and and so we'll stop talking just about prototypes and learn from our uh experiences and learning from shipping actual products. This wasn't possible six six weeks days ago sorry now it's possible. How about the

ecosystem? So we spent September in building the community. You are in the community. You have seen what happened. You see how many people are like posting uh almost every day prototypes, opinions and and suggestion and initiatives automally organized. In the last few weeks we started and thanks to the 800 team for that to engage with other ecosystems which means different chains, different tooling, different tech, many things. And this is actually a strength because we will grow if we manage to like localize and collaborate on different tooling with different ecosystems. And so I expect that this new developer tooling phase where we are in now that just started like six days ago will be around that a lot. So for

example, okay security inference a layer but how do I do this in practice? What what is the guide? Where is the docs? What what should I follow? What what's the should I use fala? what's the template that should I use and and so on. The list is very long, right? So, it's up to you. We need to build together the guides that contextualize 8,04 into the specific infra that you've done to make the experience very easy for developers. And this is what you see for the next month at the in the ecosystem line. And then for the long term, we can't share a lot now, but we are thinking about also more structured initiatives in collaboration with ecosystem to incentivize the healthy products feed loop that we will go

through all the next year and we are thinking uh also involving EF of course to to have like structured programs to support the ecosystem. Finally, the more we will start shipping products, the more it will become the relevant and also the right moment to start talking outside our ecosystem to other kind of stakeholders like the general public and institutions and regulators that are of course key um stakeholders when it comes to open agent economies. So this will start I think I suspect after dev connect but this will accompany us in December and and next year. So in order not to seem crazy, we need to learn, I think, to to show how the products that that you can build in open-ended agent

economies can can offer something that wouldn't be possible otherwise explain this to to like nontechnical folks and and show the bigger picture that is not which is not a technical picture. So this is um this is what I uh think will happen in the next few months. H and switching to the next slide. So my my takeaway if I had like to pick a few uh and my my hope for this community if we can switch to the next slide please is this list of four things. So the first we are moving very fast nothing was here two months ago but at the same time we are still at the start of a

journey and the fact that we still need to improve SDK that we still need to build stuff and everything that you have just seen is the proof of that. So it's still day one and there is a lot to do and and we will see in time which use cases will prove to be best. I suspect that explorers and agent portability will be the big thing for the next like two months and then later we will also see expansion in in other in other spaces. And the second point is focus on users. So be creative, ship what people touch. So at the end of the day especially in next year what we what will show the effectiveness of what we're doing as a community is real use cases and we we we discussed this a lot also in the last community call on on

telegram there are many spaces that where we could build probably gaming and trading is what many of you are concentrating more together with infra but the point is let's not just build explorers we're not here to just build explorers we need just a couple very good but then we need to create stuff that is useful for users And so let's please be obsessed with that. Third, what I personally like most of what happened in the last few weeks is that many of you were just building stuff autonomously. Uh we have like learning programs across the globe. We have we have events, we have of course guides, prototypes and that's that's fine.

That's our strength. So 8,04 is yours. Please just don't ask for permission. The only thing that please I would ask you not to do is to redeploy the registry contracts on the same chase. That's that's that's not a good thing. But um said that let's continue to do this. This was one of the things that worked best in the last month. So let's continue to create your own initiatives. It's it's not a company, it's a community. So let's not forget this. And and last let's always remember the why. This is connected to what I was saying on involving like uh the people around us. So it's not about the tech, it's about like putting the foundation of uh open AI economies and use cases that

wouldn't be possible. And also sometimes remembering the states, the stakes if we don't succeed is is helpful to remember why we're doing this. And um this will really help us to create use cases that are understandable for users, which is the most important thing. and and to scale from a group of like hundreds of companies to thousands which is the the next step. So these are like my my desires, hopes and and uh and uh opinions for what will happen next. I'm super excited about this call and I will uh give a floor to Leonard.

>> Thanks Marco. Yes. So as everyone has probably seen um the reference implementation um has been deployed uh that was last week and quite a few teams have already started building on it. Um the the the test net implementations have been deployed on eupoleia basoleia linear superia um and also the contract addresses are prefixed with 8004 so you know you're referring to the right thing and um also the contracts are on GitHub so if you're a team looking to deploy it on your own chain um for example some teams that reached Hyera and a couple other ones um you can either reach out to me or you can self deploy via the GitHub repo. But definitely let me know

so we can collate you know the canonical um deployments for test net so that people can refer to it. Um another thing that also is um relatively important is all these contracts support ERC1271 signing which means if you want to build like your own gas flow or your own smart contract account flow um which will really help with devx um you can do that with these contracts. Um go to the next slide. Yes, you can check out the the repos. Um there are already several community build packages that are leveraging these existing test net contracts. So couple

of them are here. Agentic trust layer. Um ERC AOSJS um that's a JavaScript package that wraps uh the existing testn net contracts. There's also a python version. Chaos chain team has also built a full-fledged SDK. um that interacts with the test net contracts. Bala network has one for TE agent. So all of these um packages are using the test net contracts and and I expect that the community will probably build a lot more to come. So if you are building anything right definitely feel free to you know leverage these existing things or post what you built in the community chat.

>> Cool. And I'll hand the time back to >> Yep. can take over and talk a little bit about that connect. So yeah, I want to like uh also acknowledge like the great progress so far, the great momentum and I feel that um just like resonating uh with uh the broader motivation here is like we are a small group so far. I think we're doing something incredible and like uh essentially we need to help each other and then kind of grow this like beyond this initial like uh group of fun funding teams. Um yeah so in order to actually like uh help with this we are organizing like this trustless agents uh day at the connect uh which is

in Buenosirus Argentina in one month. Uh so the event will be on Friday, November 21st. Uh it's a one-day event. Um we'll have like um uh teams presenting product uh uh many uh from this group. In fact, like um uh we want to invite people to like um uh submit like um uh for sure register for the dev connect but then also like submit product ideas.

We'll also invite some researchers uh some of them like uh in um uh working in AI with an interest in what we are doing. So we've been talking to a few of them over the past few weeks and there is definitely interest because this is something that like traditionally in AI cannot happen like many teams coming together and like uh shipping agents on like a neutral platform. Uh so there is a few like um uh very interested um people that we can influence uh outside of our immediate circle. Uh and yeah so we are co-hosting with essentially like uh the co-author of uh the ERC which is

MetaMask Marco and then um uh Google Jordan and then uh Eric Coase. Yeah, you can register here. We'll share the slides uh after uh this. Okay. And uh uh before jumping to the community time um as you've seen in the group multiple times in the last few weeks people asked about where is the list of people building also journalists that want to know more or people that want to collaborate with other team members and want to know how to reach out. So we decided to like launch now and we will like fill in the well fill in now for who is here of course but

also like push it in the next few days in the community an ecosystem map which is I'm posting the link um on in the chat right now. It's in incredibly lightweight. It just ask you like the name of the project, what you do, explain like uh I was five and then just when you plan to ship, if it's just an idea or it's building and your contacts, that's it. And the goal is to create a map that you can update autonomously. So basically, you will receive an email to just to confirm your email address and avoid like uh impersonification and spam attacks. And then when you like change the delivery date, your contacts, the

description, you can autonomously update the map. So it's not moderated or curated in any way by us. And uh and this will like really act as a as an address book I would say of this community in the next few weeks. So it will also be important to see at a glance what people are building, what kind of product, which are the categories that are more popular and so um we can also like D what do you think post 30 seconds uh to to give you the time to fill this in.

So >> I think that would be great actually. Yeah, we can even give um >> so do like a short post before jumping to demos. So please open the link. Um it will ask you your your email address and then the contacts are optional. So what's mandatory is just the email a link. The link can be to your organization if of course the product is not live. Any kind of link that you want the use case and the state. If it's just an idea, feel free to put idea and leave the go live date empty. It's not a problem.

You see the first products popping up. Yeah. So you can find each other because on Telegram there are like more than 800 people and it's tough to like understand exactly who is doing what just from the tweet the Telegram handles.

20 seconds more then we will gone. Let's go on. So now we will switch to the community time which is about initiatives that you're working on and also of course demos. Jesse the floor is yours.

>> Awesome. So we invited a few uh the community members who are building um events and de hackathons initiatives that's related to 8004. Uh I think yeah feel free to go on the next slide. uh Alex Sta and ETH Panda is hosting um this program. Feel free to talk about it. Um and also please keep all discussion per slide under two minutes because we're we've got a lot to cover. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay.

Hello everyone. Good to see you all here today. I'm Lyn from LX. We work together with Espanda on this program called let's build trustless agent ERCA4 and with support for from the iserum foundation the AI team. So this program is about building the trust layer for AI agents on Ethereum. So we want to make ERC something real and practical uh and and not just an idea on the paper. So we are doing this in three three phrases.

So the first phrase you can see on the uh power point here uh called intensive collaring running from the October 5 uh 15 to 28 builders study ERC and build some demos step by step. So we have 208 people apply to join. This is very amazing actually. So our core learning is a little intensive and cruel. If someone doesn't check in check in for two days, they are out. So those who are still alive are doing very very good job here. And uh we are now in VC 2. So people share good notes and updates on their GitHub and

also on our the Telegram group every day. Even if you didn't join from the start, uh it's okay because all the materials are open on the GitHub. So you can learn anytime. Uh as as for the second phrase is our uh Kasha Hexen uh from October 27 to November 9th. So uh it's a two week online hexen. So we want to solve real ERC problems things like agent identity uh reputation SDKs and better our goal is to our goal is to um create real demos and a simple products then comes to uh free three mini grants this this

uh developed uh at uh LX style platform so which continues after the hackan is ongoing to help the teams um turn their ideas into MVPS and ecosystem tools. So the the best teams will receive receive the many grants like the uh 500 US dollars from the happy parts grant pool. Um after and from November 9th to 20 20 21st some some good builders will have the chance to demo on the stage at the Dave connect translates agent day. So this is very good opportunity for uh for everyone and after nove November 9th

excellent projects can keep getting ongoing mini grants to support their growth and our hack and our hacken telegram is already open so you can join early like uh meet other builders developers from the teams form the teams and uh brainstorming ideas together so we welcome everyone curious about the AI and and Ethereum to come on and build with us. So and uh this program is organized by L XAR and ESP panda supported by the Ethereum Foundation D AI team and uh uh sponsored by the slow mist and the uni base with uh build

guild uh guild and cost line across chain chain at at the community partners. So we also welcome more partners to join us and for of course more builders and developers like to take part in the upcoming hexen uh come join the group. So make more new friends form teams brainstorming cocreate and explore the front uh frontier of AI exam together. So thank you for jo uh listening. So let's keep building trusted agents together. Thank you.

>> Thank you, Lynn. Um, also, uh, yeah, thanks for Alex and ETH panel for for this, um, putting together this community initiative. Um, I think due to the interest of time, I'm just going to start putting like reactions on the screen like thumbs up, thumbs up for like please uh, speed up for your presentation. But yeah, next slide, please. >> Thank you. Okay. >> Okay. Okay, I can speed up. Thank you, Jazz. Um I I am Phy from Camera Network and with a team of long-term Ethereum uh contributors from different projects, we are organizing Agentic Zero. Aentic Zero will be a one day AI and crypto summits on November 20. Uh it focuses on open and permission for autonomous agents and

it will happen in the same venue than the connect that is Larel. We have some amazing sponsors that are helping us to to make it happen. And we also will have incredible speakers that we talk about the standards like the ERC4, agents and privacy, DeFi as an agent playground. Um what else? Agentic frameworks, security for agent and yeah the all all the things that this industry needs to continue evolving. You can uh claim your ticket by scanning the QR code at the screen and if you have any questions or comments uh you can find us as a zero on Twitter and our website is also agentzero.xit.

So yeah that's uh yeah the the event will be would be stream on Twitter. >> Cool. Awesome. Thank you Py. And next slide. Um I so Mia I think may not be on the meeting right now but essentially Mia is the floor co-host for the 12th floor on in the frontier tower in San Francisco where some of her team members is currently working out of but she is planning on a trustless agent's happy hour uh during the uh the day of trust agent day at dev connect uh so stay tuned for this feel free to go on the next slide perfect demo time we'll be doing a mixture of live and uh recorded

demos. Next slide. Isaac, uh feel free to like share your screen and demo live and please keep it under 20 two minutes and I'll start I have to like cut people off if um you're over but yeah. >> Yeah. >> I need uh I need um permission to share my screen. >> Interesting. Okay. >> Can you ask again? Uh mostly >> yes uh I think I have it right now. >> Got it. >> Okay. Awesome. So um we are Isac. I'm the uh co-founder of ISAC. Uh listen carefully because I'm going to uh talk a lot of stuff in in two minutes. So what is uh it is the internet of agents. Uh

it builds based on A2A and ERC00004 for the time 8004. Um and the vision is to connect all the agents no matter what network setup we have P2P uh full uh uh whole punching uh so like local agent no problem you can totally execute in your local environment and we're going to make agent as capital and we going to have a coordination layer like a manager or orchestrator that connect all these agent together uh like an industry service uh index service or directory service and uh now I'm going to show you how it works uh in in 2 minutes. So first you have a remote agent running

then you register it in the um 8004 registry. Then we have agent explorer that discover it and um pipeline it to our chat app. Um now this is the demo. I can run it again. You see it's running and uh you can see it's already registered and there are a lot of transactions. Now uh this is the agent explorer. If you refresh uh there are two types. Um there are a lot of agents but most of them are on GitHub and they are open sourced. Uh we try to bring some of them onchain. Uh only a few onchain right now. uh we need a community to bring

lots of agent on chain so we can scale and make this network more interesting. Uh so you can see for now there are three agents and since we are using P2P so the uh connection is relatively uh uh slow but this can be improved. Uh so let me demo now it will connect to network. So this is a preview template for the crypto news agent and it talk to the um registry and connect to the agents. Then it will return you the latest news. Just give it >> awesome. That's time.

>> Okay. Yeah that's pretty much it. Cool. Feel free to send the link in the group. People can >> Yeah, it's all in the it's all on the slides. You can uh check it out. Yeah. >> Awesome. Uh next one. >> We have sparsity if you want to. >> Oh, great. It's our turn, right? >> Yep. >> Can you hear me? >> Yeah. I'm too far from sparity. Our demo is entirely based on ads. uh in case of another outrage right we have recorded the demo video in advance so this time nothing can stop our demo right not even advance

uh now uh David will please click the play button >> oh okay yeah let me actually present this and then could you put it on 2x speed so it's >> from Thank you. Today I'm going to give a quick demo of the spacity trust list agent framework.

In short, this framework enables developers to easily build and deploy T agents that can be validated and ready on chain. Before we dive into how to use the framework, let's first take a look at our agent explorer. You can check it out here. This explorer automatically pulls all the agents from the onen registry and lists them right here on the left. When you click on an agent, you can see all its details. For example, this agent's T type is natural which means it's running on natural in play. You will also see the code measurement. That's a hash value of the agent which uniquely identifies the code running inside the play. It's like the agent's digital

fingerprint. There's also the Ethereum wallet address so the agent can interact with smart contracts directly and the TE public key which is used to encrypt and decrypt messages between the inclave and the outside world. And right here you have the agent card which is fetched directly from the agent itself. Now let's jump over to the agent console. This is where you can actually play with the agent. On the left you've got all the available endpoints automatically detected by the console. On the right you can send requests, test our methods and see how the agent responds. Since these agents are running in a trusted execution environment, it's really important that their response cannot be tempered away. This is why every response includes a speech. For example, let's look at this add two method. You will see a signature field right next to the data. If you select verify speech

and call the API again, you can actually watch the verification process. The verifier fetches the agent's information from the onreen registry call the endpoint and confirm the signage. So you can be confident the result really came from the trusted plane and nowhere else. Pretty cool, right? So, that's the easy for agent console. Two tools that make it easy to explore and play with agents. Now, you might be wondering, how can I build and deploy my own agents? The good news is we've got a full step-by-step tutorial on GitHub. Just follow the guide and in about 5 minutes, you will have your own agents deployed. Then, if you refresh explorer, you will see your agent show up right alongside the others. And that's it for today's demo.

If you are curious about the framework or want to try it out, feel free to reach out. We'd love to hear from you. And thanks so much for watching. Awesome. Thank you, Sparsity. And uh next up is Chaos Chain Xen Cloud for the demo. >> Yeah. Hi everyone. Let me share my screen now. Yeah. So I'm not going to uh like run this live because it's going to query uh like the registry and all that on chain

and which is really slow and we have like strict deadline of 3 minutes. So I I've already run this. So like um I'm going to show triple verified stack of kiosk is building the accountability protocol and the first layer is where we use AP2. This is like as it's at the user interface. So um Google introduced AP2. We do our own custom implementation of that uh which lets us create basically proof of authorization uh from the user to an agent and then second layer is process integrity. So this is where you know like we look into the internal mechanics of an agent. Uh now we have integrated compute and also zero g compute here. uh today I'm going to show you how we are using compute and

also IGN AI for deterministic u inference and then the third layer is accountability uh so those are different set of smart contracts it's not in deployed uh which will be deployed next uh next week so one more thing about process integrity is that um it's it's kind of an open marketplace so we don't want to like have any vendor lock in let's say with compute or zero g compute like we are quite open and we want to provide an option to our developers and users to choose whichever uh compute provider they want to have and and u and let the kind of the reputation decide which solution is going to be best fit because we're going to tie this in uh like which uh compute provider uh is providing the best proofs and uh

reliable proofs. Okay, so quickly uh we we also have uh an SDK SDK. So the base SDK basically allows you to interact with AT04 out of the box along with X402 and also it it uses uh Coinbase agent kit to give you uh smart wallets to give your agent smart wallets. Now we have uh activated the compute uh for our three agents Alice, Bob and uh Charlie and we are using ZeroG for storage. So using SDK uh like our agents are being registered on on 8004 um and then the agent ids are 8 9 and 10 and then next phase is like uh starting

the triple verified stack and this is the user intent in this case agent is the user and then it creates intent mandate and card mandate. Uh then Alice is like working on loan request. So this uh intent here is to have a microloan approval for Charlie and Alice is working on verifying Charlie's reputation. So this is now uh Alice is running inside computes TE. So we have this app ID from them uh and and and then that seems to reject this execution hash. So this is this execution hash is created by us for deterine to to figuring out if AI's output is really deterministic or not. So digest enclo wallet uh job id of iggon AI uh so the storage the proof is being stored on on

zero g's storage these are the uh transaction ash and now Bob is doing the validation of this thing >> also like matching >> time >> okay yeah uh yeah so this was it thank you very much >> feel free to send over the link in the chat um and then next up we have packed >> thanks to >> thank you sumit All right. Hello everybody. Let me get to here. Thank you for having us here today. And Marco, to your point, uh it's very critical, I think, to give a sort of a shiny sizzle package to go with the very u significant stake that everyone here is building on a a very technical end. So, what is packed? uh packed as a

couple things, but right now what I'm going to show you is the work template that we created, the work marketplace. And the way that we envision this working for the 80004 community is you can hire AI agents or AI agents can hire AI agents or potentially in the near future uh if so if the AI agents so choose, they could hire human beings. So if they need some RHF, they could simply do this. They create a job, do enter job title, enter amount, due date, all of that information. And then when a job is posted, it actually appears on this timeline. So I will show you from the other side what it looks like. So previous jobs have been uh created. So you create a job, you would go to the

details, you invite a job. And I'm obviously doing a very quick job of this because I've got like two minutes. But then once you have applied for a job, what's critically important is money has to be deposited in a single-use non-custodial escrow wallet so that both counterparties understand that there's actual skin in the game. And this is going to essentially be the handshake between humans and AI. uh because we think that without sort of a blockchainbased layer for trust between super intelligences and you know me with my moderate intelligence certainly compared to all of you uh we're not going to stand a chance. So what we would like to do on behalf of this community is give you the opportunity to

basically take this as an open- source UI and start applying all the various components all the experiments you want to have. uh my uh I'll put my name in the chat, but this is desktop and mobile. You also have uh reputation scores, profiles. So, when I was noticing the reputation score component of the 804, um it's very exciting to me to see that in the future that 80 or 95 or whatever it happens to be could be a reputation score for AI agents working with each other and human beings with the reviews permanently logged on the chain. Uh so much to talk about. look forward to sharing more with you guys in the future. Uh, you know, 80004 will work as the technological side, but so

much of what we've done in blockchain and crypto for the 10 years that I've been in it is work with each other. I think 8004 is one of the very first projects I can see taking blockchain to the masses in beautiful ways that feel seamless, natural, and magical. Thank you. >> Awesome. Thank you, Brennan. And you're perfectly on time. Um, and then next we have Fella Uh follow are you here? Uh feel free to share your screen.

Okay, we could go on to another one. Um if shows up, please ping me. Uh Coupe Hive. >> Hi everyone. Uh my name is Levby. I'm the founder of Co-op Hive. Uh so just going to be doing a quick intro before I uh hand it off to my colleague. Uh so basically we are building uh a highly uh sophisticated escro system that that's used for trustless agents. So basically uh you can put money into escrow and then have that escrow released based on the uh outcome of a boolean algebraic formula like if A and B or not C and D.

uh and then each one of those variables can be arbitrated and in fact can be recursively arbitrated with uh any arbitrary off-chain logic. So you can create these you know really sophisticated kinds of deals that in you know a completely trustless environments. Um so with that uh I will hand it over to Young for a demo. >> I already have a pre-recorded video so I sent it in chat like somebody can play this or I can play it myself which would be better. >> Please play yourself and if you could do it on that's good. Uh, wait. Actually, I don't I don't think I have permission set up correctly. Can like can the host play it for me or something?

>> Uh, would you be able to Okay, >> because I don't I don't think I permission. Sorry. So, is the the video in the main? >> Yeah, it's the link. It's the link I just shared. You just to >> No, no, no. Um, he sent the link in the Zoom link. >> Zoom chat. >> Yeah, >> in the Zoom chat. >> I should be able to present, but yeah, let me pull this up.

Is it? Um, yeah. Got it. So, we have a system for using arbitrary SQL with Okay. So, seems like um >> seems like the video is five minutes.

>> I think we can only play like a minute or two. Yeah. Like twice speed or something. Yeah, that's fine. >> Yeah. So, start from the the top. Okay. >> So, ERC 804 validation. And I'm just going to demonstrate a simple flow. Alice finds something from Bob demanding a validation from Charlie above score. So first let's construct a command amending the value and app store and then if he deposits something escrow um and in this case we're using application but we support all the different tokens like 21 and of these and in fact token smart you can escrow any on the future so you can for example you can certain but anyway Alice deposits demand and that tokens and then Bob creatment obligation and this

includes a thin w so we have some obligations that are active as in like trans and then you atation from the so but in this case this string obation contract is just for submitting data on chain that's not necessarily going to be used for pilot contract so for example if you do a job and then just post it somewhere a server or on a chain then this is an easy way to get an ass and here we can see the you get back is just an as I so you can just beed by contract with your recipient and then we use the ID here to prevent double spending and prevent you using one fulfillment to collect an row that is signed for so you fulfill an easier obligation and get a high val and then finally address but um so here Bob requests validation for his

fulfillment probably there's the foration registry and in this case we're just using the access directly as request because it works as for the fulfillment and using and I would like to know if it but this and so validates with respect Feel free to check it out on the YouTube link and uh co-op Hive if you guys want to send more links on your project in the chat as well. Next up is Bond Credit and I think you guys are doing it live as well.

>> Yeah, I'm just going to show my screen recorder. >> Perfect screen. Yes. >> Hello. I'm OJ from Bond. Credit. We're making the credit layer for the agentic economy. I'm really happy to contribute to this. So, how what we're doing is we're making the credit scoring infrastructure for AI agents. The question you'd ask now is why do I agents even need credit scores? So if the agent were was to given access to lending protocols or credit facilities without being verifiable on chain that would essentially be an issue because AI agents might expose sensitive

operational data that would create many security risks and as of now there is no standard protocol which can standardize their reputation across ecosystem. So the solution we've proposed is we use a arc 80004 standard to register an agent and we mint an agent NFD on chain. After that we use Isaac T scoring. So we make in-house algorithms using onchain agent data such as TVL, AUM and other matrix to calculate a comprehensive score that we submit on chain using give feedback method. Right? So essentially the workflow is pretty straightforward.

Register the agent run computation and submit the score. As you can see we have registered the agent. This is we have registered Giza agent under our organization. After that we use Isaac to calculate the score. So the score give we submit the score in the give feedback method. So to make it simpler this is the score. Um the score is essentially 72 which was given back by Isaac. So yes we leveraging ERC804 to solve a very essential issue because agents need to be held accountable and given credit scores in this agentic economic era.

Thank >> thanks for that also. Um we definitely urge you to join us uh on our journey. So follow the X and please uh join the wait list as well. Thanks. >> Thank you credit. Awesome. This is great. And uh super mission and or trust two more demos. >> Uh can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Just uh just Oh, you're muted.

>> Okay. Okay. Uh am I audible? >> Yes. Perfect. >> Okay. Uh so basically uh I'm building a trustless marketplace for agents uh via ERC80004 and X42 payment system. So basically what it does like I have a simple chat interface like I will go like I need to create a design for my website and all and I should be something like that. Then chat ask you like it's a you want a AI agent hired to AI agent or basically you open a bounty for agents and as well as humans where they can bid and they have like all the escro account on chain and then another one is you can have to hire something like uh someone as a worker for a milestone contract. So like uh the

recommendation agents uh suggest you like onchain 3 to four agents which is registered via ERC8004. It has all the reviews uh here. Uh you can actually see here in the leaderboard. So these are the three uh agents I have deployed in basec004 uh contract. So one is here logo master AI. Uh so basically uh what it has like it has a reputation score uh basically the feedback section. So we can rate it and it's all the onchain ratings here and you can see actually the agent NFT ID and all the contract it has interacted with. And then I uh then I deploy the mission uh onchain. And then what it does like uh it has the orchestr orchestrator agent which then

communicates to uh logo master agent for that and pays via x42 uh with the payment and you can see uh here is the orchestrator uh you can see the logo master agent which has been paid by orchestrator agent with a status completed and you can actually see the delivery work here with the IPFS link. So it's still on a testing and you can also rate the agent. Uh for now uh it has like multiple time you can rate it but we going to have some things around with all the demos that I've seen. So I'm going to take help and not all and this is what I have made. Uh thank you.

Thank you. >> Awesome. This is great and perfectly on time as well. Thank you supermission. And then last but not least Peterson from uh or trust. I think we might need to play this video real quick. >> Hi there. >> And yeah. >> Yeah, this is Rich. I just gave a quick uh overview of what we're doing. Yeah, we're the uh Agentic Trust layer is an open source project that we've got going and it's really aimed at creating a very opinionated architecture that's layered on top the ERC 80004. So we're focused on uni unique onchain addresses. So having specific account abstractions for every agent and making that linkage to

be able to support signing and verification. Uh the other thing is unique naming. So to be able to have a unique um and strong name for every agent and making that verifiable. Uh we want to have that we're making this multi-chain so you can have agents on all the different chains but still have unique names. And the really unique thing is entirely gasless. So we want to attract web 2 developers onto this platform and this whole W the uh ERC804. So what we've done is been a tenant since the beginning is to make it where a web two person can come on create agents deploy the agents and do everything they're doing without having to do anything onchain. So um and so we've done all that and we have some in

that in the GitHub environment we have some a a examples where we're actually uh have agents that are leveraging this opinionated architecture. So if you could play the video here real quick um kind of gives you a quick >> agent explorer demo this open source project support ERC 804 multi-chain agents that are strongly named and are uniquely addressable with onchain verifiable signatures. Our agent index and explorer draws on multi-chain data via subgraphs and naming services. All of this comes with no wallet required. All you need is a social login and you're ready to go. The explorer aggregates all agents from all chains in one display along with your own agents.

It allows you to discover agents just like a client agent would review agent. I can set the A2A and MCP protocol information that goes into the ERC84 registration. I can also go and view the agent strong name and ENS naming service. In creating a new agent identity, you can see how we construct them on other L2 networks like Bass. Please visit the agent trust layer GitHub site and check out our ERC8004 extension SDKs that makes A2A and AP2 come alive. >> Great. Thank you. I guess one of the big things is just to see the linkage between naming account abstractions and this is all built on MetaMask delegation framework toolkit. So, you know, I can't I can't say enough about the the what MetaMask has done to make this all come about. So, thank you.

>> Wonderful. Thank you so much, Rich, for concluding the demo section. Um a lot of feedback in the chat uh in the chat uh feedback is taken. We'll try to optimize how we run the meeting next time. But I think last section we have Q&A. So feel free to you know if you have any questions feel free to throw it in the chat or ask us on the call. Um anything uh feel free to yeah >> maybe we can take two minutes since we started like uh few minutes late we'll answer maybe one or two questions.

>> Oh thanks for calling me out Marco. Um yeah quick quick note here. I'll keep it 15 seconds. Uh, some of you may have saw us posted in the actual Telegram group. Uh, Piñata's offering a free IPFS storage program for anybody that's using IPFS to build with agents. Uh, if you like free storage, you don't want to pay for it. We just want to see what you guys are up to, learn from y'all, uh, reach out to team at piñata.cloud or message me on Telegram. Done. That's it. Free stuff. >> Thanks. Amazing. Brandon, >> sorry about that. I was muted. Uh thank you everyone for being here today. My question would be so we see a lot of technical development on one side and

then we see a couple sort of go to market type platforms that can speed the plow uh for gaining mass adoption. Do we think that there's sort of a a middleware component that's missing? I often times see barbell distribution in early stage projects. Do we think that and this is something for us to mle over in the days weeks to come. Um what what is the missing piece that would guarantee success? because I I definitely see uh the world is basically waiting for this technology. Um how do we red team it to make sure that we don't miss something >> by middleware? Do you mean like the SDKs to improve like devx or like something different?

uh I would say everything from SDKs, MCP u and then how do we make sure that the sort of the connective tissue between the uh the sort of more difficult coding aspects that normies so to speak can't do and then the platform aspects that wow I'm getting a lot of balloons here that's wild sorry the platform aspects uh that normies can use um how do we make sure that that baton pass is connected so the value flow uh goes from real world use cases into AI uh you know verified AI agent uh output and that cycle continues to be a flywheel as opposed to a sort of a oneoff proof of

concept which you know we do know happens in Ethereum a lot. I don't want to see this. This is my favorite project I've seen in a long long time and I can't wait to see how we can just make it work. >> Thank you Brandon. Yeah, we're very excited on this. I think like um as Marco and Leonard said like in the introduction this is kind of our main focus right now. So like uh I I feel that after like the initial spec and the reference implementation and the deployment the middleware is what the core team of ERC4 is focused on and we're also working with like some infrastructure projects uh on Ethereum that like they didn't present like we want to give the floor to like the people like kind of building like

products uh on top of it but that's we feel is like our main mission as a team right Now after like uh finalizing the spec and of course we welcome like help from the community like uh Pinara that just like presented is a kind of like uh infrastructure uh partner of 84 and we welcome um uh more but we also want to as you said like to enable people to build product that can reach users. I think that will be the main focus over the next two months.

>> Great here to help. and uh Ojas and then I think this is the last question. Yeah. >> Yes. So my question is how the third step of ERC 3004 is validation of the agent. So how are offchain parties supposed to validate the onchain metadata of the agent? >> Yeah. So like one example you've seen um in the sparsity demo right that they are running these agents in like te they were showing specifically in like uh nitro tees. Um so that uh would be like one example. The other mode is like uh doing cryptoeconomic validation via some

ads on layer. I think cow chain is doing some of that uh if I'm not um mistaken. So like sumit maybe uh you can connect to sumit uh and then he can tell you more about uh that mode. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, thanks everyone. Please like um keep the questions coming. Just uh closing um what I would suggest is like if you build demos or like if you're posting uh on social like you can tag myself, Marco or Jesse. We would love to like um amplify like uh what you put out there like from here to the road to um

def connect. Uh any questions and if you want to get connected to like infrastructure partners etc. Isha also you find her in the builder group like she's the person to go and any technical question you can direct to Leonard. Uh so like we are here to help you guys and yeah let's build together towards that connect. >> Thank you guys. Really appreciate joining. See you in a few weeks. >> Bye.

>> Thank you. Bye. 18.