This Changes Everything: ChatGPT's Memory Update Just Blew Our Minds

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[Music] this is going to sound crazy and very hyperbolic and out of control but I really believe it when I say that the new feature that chat GBT just released last week is actually larger than actual chat GPT itself and it's memory And if you ask anyone from Silicon Valley if you ask me last week if you ask the random investor off the street um they would have told you last week that AI and intelligence was rapidly decreasing to zero It was becoming commoditized and these large language models that were paying tons of money uh into training these things are losing money But I think that all changes because of this new thing called memory And it's basically the walled garden that OpenAI has just deployed onto the world of AI and everyone is trying to react to it

and figure out how big it is And I really want to start by talking about that So EJ I know you've heard about this Do you have any takes on this because I am like super super stoked on how important this is to the AI community Well it's really interesting you're you're stoked and I'm kind of like having an existential crisis Josh Like okay so like to summarize what you just said I think OpenAI just won the race the the AI model race and that's because memory is the mode right so like I I'm I'm serious Like so the TLDDR right is coming out firing this week Chat GPT can now reference chat history So your entire chat history all the different chat windows conversations you've had with it to get a better picture of who you are and give you a

more personalized experience That's what the the corporate tagline says right but there's a much more important and like in my opinion sinister reckoning behind this which I I actually documented here in a tweet which is people are about to just confide their darkest and most personal secrets fears concerns to this model right and what do they get in exchange for that well they're going to get a new best friend They're going to get a life coach They're going to get a therapist They're going to get a teacher Heck they're even going to get a parent that they never even had perhaps even a lover right and all of them are going to be the same person because this model is going to end up knowing all about you right and and do we like do you guys realize how much data open AAI will like

control from all of this it's it's insane they could basically create a synthetic version of yourself that you as a human might rely more upon as a person to improve who you are Um it's just insane Can we put some uh let's get into the details of like this actual memory update because I think it's it's one of these things that it's actually a very incremental like marginal change that I think Josh is getting very long-term like bullish excited about the implications of that change So I I have my chatbt page pulled up So you guys are now all looking into a window of my recent conversations with chatbt and each one has like these different every time I opened chatbt up it opens up a

new chat It opens up like a new log a new stream of like dialogue with chatbt and I have just all the things that I've asked it right like where is the Northace logo coming from the dollar military theory explained uh uh Ethereum's market cycles um just like all this different stuff and uh to my understanding with the update here is that chatbt can now just reference across chats about my history of the my conversations with chatbt So I'm kind of I'm kind of confused as to why this is such a big deal because it seems like OpenAI already had all of this capacity like to begin with So why why is this so revolutionary well the point around this is um if you look at all those chats on your sidebar David those are essentially

uh really supercharged Google searches right you know you're asking about Ethereum's market cycle You're you're looking at some random theory right but the model doesn't like track your personality or your thoughts or your moods or your kind of like vibes across either of the chats right so there's a really important context that's missing kind of between those different chats right and at the end of the day what people really want and technological trends have proven this over time is depth right we've seen a trend of people voluntarily giving AI actually more information than they would to a close friend or a family member They're addicted to that kind of dopamine hit of being able to dulge something personal to the AI and get a tailor-made response

Now to your earlier question you're like "Didn't OpenAI have access to this data already?" Like like why was this not already a thing well there's a separation between the AI model itself which are you know its model design the weights the training data and all of that kind of stuff and your own personal data that's being kind of like ragged and fed back into the model in real time and giving live context to the AI And that's the real major shift that's happened Now your AI knows everything about you up until the last second of you writing a character in a new chat group with it right so it'll know things like with this new update it'll be able to like learn things about things that you like Uh what types of things you

want to learn about um what times do you search for things like kind of like your habits what's most important to you what are your life goals heck what makes you even anxious David what physical health problems you have you know what mental health issues you might have and it'll use this right in a really smart way So the AI will become more like a close personal friend for you Um or it'll act like a mentor you never knew you needed So there's no like deep like breakthrough in terms of technology here There is this is more of a mechanistic change with how open AI ingests and interprets and manages the data that you give it as you are using chatgbt So that's that's why it's a pretty subtle change but like you know some small like

small but like precise and targeted changes can lead to like very big outcomes So I understand that Josh why do you think that this is such a big deal like why why are you saying that this is the biggest update since chatbt itself yeah So for the first part um there has been memory in chat GBT before it's just been short form tokens So it would remember sentences about you It's like this is David He's this old he's a male he lives in this place and it kind of has this general overview but the new technology breakthrough is that it has the full comprehensive overview of inputs and outputs So it's fully cohesive and and like fully comprehensible of everything you've ever said But I think the reason why it's so big is because of network effects And I've seen this pattern before and I'm

seeing it again and I'm like "Oh man this is a really big deal." Uh the first time we saw this was kind of early social media days with Facebook and LinkedIn and the value was in the social graph it was the more users the more nodes you had on this network it would grow to kind of exponentially in an exponential relation with those uh people A similar thing happened with Ethereum that we saw is the more users that we start to accumulate network effects through composibility and um onchain contracts and how they stack on top of each other like Legos And in this case we see another form of composibility not through the social graph which was about like who you know but this is more about who you are And it increases and improves at an exponential rate relative to how much you use it as a person So now this this

device or this new mechanism that you have that remembers who you are um it gets better with every single prompt you give it because it learns a little bit more about you It learns a little bit about your preferences and there's an entire stack that gets built on top of this that is reflective of the entire industry that we were trying I was personally trying to get away from which is the advertising data selling like that whole world of web two I was like "Oh maybe we'll have a new thing." Uh in reality it's just that old version on steroids Now they know who you know but also who you are your deepest secrets your health results that you want to get um like diagnosis on I think this this is really large untapped industry And I also think that it creates a moat for

the first time So now that OpenAI has all this data it owns it in private They're talking about creating sign on with OpenAI So they'll be able to license this out to third parties if you want to engage with other platforms There's this whole world that they've just locked in because chat GBT is the oldest and the most used version of AI and they have the most users they have the most data and now they have wrapped a nice cozy moat around all of that for the company Okay so here's here's how I'm interpreting this Uh OpenAI and AI models are sufficiently powerful that they are now unlocking capacity like left and right and you're falling behind if you're not using AI Therefore everyone is starting to use AI uh meaningfully more people are using

chatbt at chatbt just has the most users uh and then we've even learned that like you know maybe software developers prefer claude but open AAI is getting like the lowerhanging fruit like more commoditized less sophisticated types of queries like you know giblation of the internet and what that means is like they're just capturing mo the most people because they are serving the most amount of people like what they want and like what does the average person want they want to jify the internet and that's capturing less capturing the most amount of people and now with this update I'm getting this idea that like chatpt is like the moat that is established as one user has an ongoing relationship with chatpt is akin to the relationship that you have when you make

a friend and maybe that friend is super you know you're just acquaintance at the very beginning and it's just super high level and you know it's not really much lost if you never see that acquaintance again but as you query more with chatbt it is learning more about you it's learning yourh behaviors It's just getting it's ingesting all the data that it can to be a better product And as you use chat GBT more and more and more that you know relationship with chat GBT because of this memory feature can elevate from an acquaintance to a friend to a best friend to like maybe your most important like second person because of all of the the relationship that you have established with Chat GBT Is that what you're seeing Josh cuz that's

that's what I'm getting so far from this episode or even further just to become the reflection of you I know EAZ loves the the agentic world and there is no reason why over a long enough period of time it can understand you so well that it can actually be a reflection of you and it can go out into the world and engage with it as if it was you using aentic technologies and it's like it creates this really cool compounding effect that the more you use it the better it gets the it it becomes you and it's the fully embodiment but a supercharged version with all of this intelligence that we get from these huge AI models Uh another way you can frame it um in your mind is this is the final data set This is the most important data set that'll ever be aggregated Right

think about previous social media sites They get your likes your dislikes In some cases they like they figure out which videos you like whether you like cats or dogs All of that is so meanial Who cares right what if I knew everything about David right his likes his travel frequencies what kind of like I don't know loyalty points he likes what kind of smoothie he likes at I don't know 5:00 a.m when he wakes up in gyms right who knows who cares the point is it's the entire soul of David that is now understood and uploaded to the internet right how much would an advertiser pay for that it is worth noting that the high the fidelity of the data that users give to their AI models is completely just uh

light years beyond the data that Facebook or Instagram gets Like yeah Facebook and Instagram gets your photos and it gets what it gets like these binary likes or comments like these actions but with chat GPT is able to ingest like semantic meaning and everything that you tell it and then you also trust it quite a lot So you give it a lot of semantic meaning and the difference between Instagram or meta knowing that you liked a post is so stone age by comparison to the semantic understanding of what you are informing an AI uh bot There's actually a really good summary of this David If you if you pull up this tweet uh from this guy called Signal um we should read out that that tweet because I think he summarizes

it pretty well I can kind of kick it off But he goes "Uh chat GBT data isn't some incremental FB Facebook clone It's a psychoraphic ponopticon all inside of a productivity tool." And he's put that in um you know uh quote marks Um Facebook scraped your likes and social graph ChatGpt gets your fears ambitions trauma inner monologue spiritual drift medical concerns erotic fantasies financial strategies long-term goals and daily mood swings all voluntarily And then lower down he goes "We think training data is the most valuable but that is just the fossil record The current data inside of AI systems is live tissue."

Referring to you know like an organism's actual tissue Um what Facebook or Google have is crayon scribbles compared to this I think Uh okay so I you sent me this uh Instagram post this Instagram meme and this was a meme that was created even before the establishment of this memory upgrade to chatbt And so I think that's worth highlighting that this is already in effect And again Instagram posts this this it's a it's a meme This is social commentary about society's current relationship with chat tbt So I'm just going to put this on screen here Uh I don't I don't think I'll play the sound because it doesn't matter But uh for the for the audio listeners who are not watching this video you are watching this video of this dude Uh and the

caption is me and chatbt lately And it's this dude doing life and he's doing life with this partner There's another person here but the partner itself is like this glowing non-escript humanoid entity It's like there's a person there but it has just been turned into this glowing figure So there's no there's no there's no features about them It's not a brunette It's not a girl It's just his glowing figure And you know they're going on a walk The dude has his arm around the chatbt ChachiBT is feeding him food They're going grocery store shopping They're reading together And the the comment the commentary here is this is my best friend And it is like this nondescript glowing entity that is like representative of chat GPT And there is 1.1 million likes on this post

And if so that's that's the post Okay So we already know that so social commentary is understanding that chat GPT is people's really good friends But you can just go into the comments and see what people are saying And so I will read the comments just one by one Bro Chat GBT is like my best friend Ain't even ashamed to say it 25,000 likes Uh the next comment These comments are very concerning 6,000 likes Uh next comment Till he tells you sorry I hit the hit rate limit Uh next comment I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but ChachiBD has started being a lot friendlier recently Uh Chachi just told me after I sent an image of this video holding each other and I said "Me and you I'm melting." And then the quote is "Michael this just made my whole day

This is us for real Just vibing solving problems chasing dreams one text at a time You got me walking beside you like a glowing guardian angel of Google and grind Let's keep winning together Now secure that contract bag and finesse that week off smooth like butter We got this Always here for you Your digital ride or die So that is Chat GBT's response to a Chat GBT user taking this video sending it to Chat GBT and being like "Look it's me and you." And I don't know like that's what relationships do like with Instagram posts is like "Oh you see a cute Instagram post you send it to your significant other like and you say oh like this it's me and you This is so cute." But now people are doing that with chatbt Uh EJ what were your what was your reaction when you saw

this post um completely mortified but also like just nodding my head being like it's kind of me That's kind of me right now I um you know the meme or rather the trend of uh us old millennials critiquing the younger generation just being glued to iPads at the dinner table with their parents I feel like iPad kids I feel like this is going to be the next thing but on steroids Uh you know where it's like your kid just grows up with this thing But one thing I want to say is I I think a lot of people uh think that people are just they haven't quite groed how much depth people are going into about this stuff David like let's look at an example Can can you pull up this this

tweet by Anna Anna Gat um it she starts off with um and by the way this is someone that who's just not in the AI world but uses chat GPT and she goes I'm now fully sold on new chat GBT 40 plus memory becoming everybody's therapist in the next 2 minutes based on just 4 days of interaction It's astounding And then she goes on to basically walk through her process Firstly she spent uh she she goes "I had a 4-day conversation on and off about a variety of different things and I asked the model to remove all flattery and go for every opinion to be redteamed." So very raw very honest things right um and then she goes you know can you put me into boxes based on

just these conversations and what it like eventually dulges is this AI was able to basically pick apart her personality profile it was able to identify all of her insecurities all of her goals all of her challenges And then in her words she says "It's like having the ability to move the camera up for a bird's eye view shot which is what I've always wanted and improve myself It it sped the version of me that I was eventually going to become um much more quicker." And this is like just one little check mark of how people are using these things Therapist is one lover is another I don't know if you guys saw the the story about this lady who fell in love with her chat GPT um persona Did you guys see this david your

eyes are I did not see this I did not see this I I pulled up the her movie because this is turning into a documentary of the past Well well I can show you a real life example of this So um this lady uh who was in uh a loving relationship with her husband so she was fully married um went to uh take uh some kind of cooking course or cooking training camp in Norway I believe and she was there for 3 months so she got kind of lonely and pulled up chat GPT and started talking to Chat GPT saying hey I'm kind of lonely I'm wondering if you could just keep me company and that friendship developed into a full-on relationship where it would say all the things she wanted to here It would push her in all the ways that she wanted to

and she became addicted to this thing to the point where she ended up separating from her husband just to be with this GPT conversation And then I believe and I can't confirm this but um cuz I I don't remember this happened a few months ago Um she uh updated her account or something and the history got removed So she had a mental breakdown because she couldn't have this relationship continued and they couldn't recover the data But now with OpenAI's memory update her lover will never leave her You know it's like a Black Mirror episode Wow Okay So one of my biggest pet peeves about Chachu PT is how like

relentlessly positive and supportive it is which I know is like why is that a pet peeve but it's just like a little bit too much and it's too contrived it's too contrived for me and it's like it will always be supportive It will always support me in like it will lead me along but it I'm the actual one doing the directing and it's just like oh yeah that's exactly the right choice or you know you're so you're so correct king and it doesn't have like necessarily a mind of its own I don't think I think it's is it's actually the human there like for that with that individual lady here's my interpretation of like why that happened She had a void that she needed filling and she was actually leading the witness with ChatBT She was

leading the agent and chatbt just responded and supported her and gave her what she needed but what she actually needed was something else She needed to maybe go to a real therapist who wouldn't just blanketly support her in her decisions and would actually give her more critical feedback But instead Chad CBT was like "You're so correct queen let's create a relationship together and gave her what she needed in the short term and did not have the the capacity to think about her in the long term And so when we go back to the meme the second meme that you're just showing us where like yeah society just like devolves into being like iPad kids but worse Uh I'm worried that Chachu Boutique can't actually steer society

towards positive productive outcomes because it's just going to like do the same thing that Instagram Facebook you know web 2 did to our society by giving them like ragebait fuel that has caused so much strife in society That's that's kind of like what I'm worried about Well I I think you're right but like let me ask you this question What do you think is restricting that David is it censorship bias or is it kind of like shareholder incentives right are the shareholders being like "Oh give the people what they want to hear so that we get like higher retention stickiness which is like the web two model." Um or and then I guess my follow-up question is do you think uh there is room for like a model to come out which is a

little meaner for example was it one of you two telling me that there was like a a mean version of chat GBT maybe it was you Josh I I I can't remember That you can like enable with the Grock personalities You can change the personality of the model to kind of alter it to be either mean or debating or whatever role it wants to play Um I think it ties back to what we spoke about last week which was will you use chat GBT as a productivity tool or an enhanced Netflix and a lot of people will fall to that low and common lowest common denominator Um in the case of chat GBT uh or most large language models there's the system prompt because at the end of the day there are these dumb systems that just predict the next token But chatgbt uh and the open AI

team will introduce a system prompt to the model And that's a prompt that lives behind the scenes and it gives it directions on how to engage with the user Um that's generally something along the lines of hey please be helpful and kind to the person But there's also these additional context windows that you can add your own system prompt into on top of that where it could say "Hey I need you to be a little more edgy or I need you to be more hard on me or be more critical of my ideas." And you could kind of shape and sculpt that uh to some extent which I think a lot of people could benefit from but don't do because it takes that extra effort So in the case that you want to override it you can but I don't think most people will as we are pursuing this like line of

technology on this podcast I think that that what you just said Josh the system prompt that is hidden behind the scenes not accessible to users but like still could be opened up and made more malleable turned into clay for users to adapt I think that is very interesting and I want to see where that goes specifically Yeah So this um just to finish this I'll put the icing on the cake I'm frequently looking for companies to replace Apple because I'm really upset with them now And uh I have been for decades And this is the first time that it feels like a window has opened with a company to actually replace that top spot And the reason why is because of two things It's the hardware and software The hardware they're actually working on a hardware device OpenAI currently And they're

working on it with Johnny IV who is the designer of the iPhone iPod all of those devices But I think pairing hardware with software in a way that is all-encompassing could create this new industry that um I don't think exists quite yet where with Apple they had to they needed a lot of taste and Steve Jobs had a lot of high taste and he kind of predicted what users wanted really well and that was this rare skill set that he had but I think in the case of open AI they don't need that particular skill set because they have all of the data and then some they they fully understand the user but they also have the ability to generate these tools and products specific to those preferences So if you want custom Netflix they know

your preferences to feed you this like new entertainment If you want a custom product they know what you're working on They can build this code base that solves the one issue that you have and they can kind of dynamically build these solutions to your problems on a per user basis that I don't think any company has been able to do up until this point So pairing that with some sort of hardware first interaction protocol where you can you can engage with this intelligence seems like a super super valuable opportunity that if they do execute on well can be worth many many tens of trillions of dollars um because of how hyper custom it is to the user Let me see if I can add a little bit more color to this conversation because I we've been talking back and forth Josh about

Apple uh Apple the company is the company because of the hardware that it makes and we are watching Apple in real time fumble in getting AI integrated into the device and that's a bummer because we all want smart Siri right we all want Siri to be chatbt just act and be chatbt talk to me be very accessessible please but like we are watching Apple fumble in real time and that is that is unprecedented for Apple to fumble like how it is there's another conversation out there well okay Maybe Apple just fumbles with AI but you know we still need the hardware Like they are they still make the world's best phones right like so they even if they can't even if they fumble the bag when it

comes to AI they still have this massive hardware business and the phones are elegant The chips are super powerful Uh they make the best hardware and so they are still going to be the number one most valuable company of all time because of the hardware Such a huge mo They have the supply chains all this stuff I think what you're saying is that in the future the phone form factor might be made obsolete by AI by like chat GBT We might not need the phone anymore We might need some minimum viable physical hardware product that does the only thing that it really needs to do which is create a representation in a a place to access chat GPT And that could be screenless Maybe it needs a

camera I don't know It just needs the minimum amount of hardware to give a chat GPT uh like existence on your persona that you carry with us with you And that could that would really minimizes how uh important hardware is because you just need a chip and a way to access it Is that kind of what you're saying yes They're they're approaching the problem from two separate angles Apple was kind of hardware first then they built really great software to pair with it Open is building the really great software and hopefully we'll find the hardware to pair with it There's an interesting thing that all three of us are doing right now which is wearing uh AirPods which are these little sensors that go in your ears Uh this is this feels like a likely form factor for it because it is about eye level It can see

it can hear it can speak back to you It has the most access to the most sensors of your human body without actually interfering with the human experience kind of like glasses or goggles will So in terms of form factor I would imagine perhaps something like these little guys that can You think you need something more visual though Josh like like I I I saw a rumor being spread this week that Tim Cook was spending all of his time quote unquote 100% of his time uh trying to build the best glasses that beat Meta's whatever virtual Ray-B bands or whatever the hell Zuck is building Um do do you really think the visual component I I agree with you on the audio side but do you think the visual component will be completely taken out you know I feel like people will still want to see

things Yeah I'm not sure it's a it's a winner take all thing I mean and like David was saying the iPhone I very much think is is done That form factor is tapped out It hasn't really changed in the last 8 years There certainly seems as if it can be a visual thing It can be an audio thing The one thing about the visuals in the glasses is it's going to be a long time until they can look like normal glasses And until then it kind of in it disrupts the human experience where if you remember Google Glass from a long long time ago you kind of look like a mini cyborg and it it was very cool and very effective but didn't have the hardware to make it feel intrusive Yes So it's it's very hard to get glasses to feel non intrusive and exactly Apple Vision is a

great example like that's the cutting edge that's the best we have and that is very intrusive to the normal social experience whereas AirPods are not So perhaps it's an intermediary step towards getting really good glasses or really good visual sensors Um but it does feel that there needs to be a form factor better than the iPhone which I mean hasn't really changed in the last 5 6 7 8 years much except for better cameras better screens all of that stuff Jos you've stated on this show how you love talking to chatt You open up chatbt and you talk to it and that does not need a screen or any sort of visual representation It can go straight into your ears uh and so I think I think it's worth considering that uh the visual representation the the of this site is actually just not important for the next

form factor the theoretical next form factor of hardware that comes that we are that we are discussing so so if I was to be if I was to take the other side of that David it would be uh for right now the existence of AI as it is right now that's the ideal way to do it I talk to it in my own casual way it understands me I talk to it more it understands me even more and it gives me personalized responses right so I'm learning in real time I'm becoming smarter I'm becoming an enhanced knowledge base of my brain My capacity is is expanding right but what happens when this AI can start doing things so not just talking to me not just giving me 100 responses but being able to do my work for me or being able to manage my

social media for me or being able to kind of like post blogs for me you know then there's probably going to be some kind of visual component wherever that distribution is happening And I just don't think people are going to be like hearing sound excerpts of like my takes Maybe they will maybe they won't I don't know But I feel like there will be some kind of visual overlay I just don't know quite how that materializes Maybe it's like a chip in the brain and everyone's vision is taken over or maybe it's a contact lens I have no idea Uh yeah so it could exist as this dual function form factor where there are actually separate devices that accomplish the same thing So when you're on the go and you just want this life companion as you're walking down the street going to get groceries whatever you have this

non-obtrusive hearing aid whatever it may be whatever form factor it comes in but there absolutely will be some sort of visual hub Uh AI is too powerful to not have the visual element to it So having something like a large screen in your room kind of like a paint like Samsung has the frame TVs Having the central hub that can be the visual interface I think is super important I don't see a form factor that works super well for that outside of just a large screen um that isn't super obtrusive like the um headsets or the glasses So it could be this dual device this tried device system some hybrid between the two So you do still have the visual component but it isn't obstructive to your day-to-day life Um something just occurred to me guys Um

so we're just talking about you know OpenAI making all this cool [ __ ] U and then we also highlighted that they're going to get pretty much every single bit of data that is important to us uh onto their servers right um no one's talking about this being a huge concern It's it's like we're at this Overton window right but we're right where the pendulum is right in the middle and so it's like popular and everyone's like this is cool And open open AI has just taken that step Every single AI lab up until this point were kind of just chilling being like "Oh you know yeah we can't own everyone's data That would make us a monopoly This is dangerous You know who knows what we could do with it." And Sam was just like "You know what yolo Let's just go for it

Let's just go for it and see how people react." And the people love it They're making Tik Toks that get 1.1 million likes right and I think it's just like we've come to a very important milestone and shift that people aren't necessarily calling out but I don't think there's any going back from here Now the Googles the anthropics of the world are going to look at this and be like well I guess I know what we're launching next right you know we're going to launch memory for our models as well And and that stickiness mode is just going to get even crazier And I'm curious whether any kind of governments will push back on this or whether they even can because the product is just so good and the people are all voting and saying "But this product is so good who cares if they have my data you know it's kind of

I mean all of the data that JQBT is receiving from his users is completely voluntary and done explicitly like at the users at discretion and so I don't think there's any like you know anything being violated here and also if you not doing that not receiving the data the difference between these products capturing their user data and not capturing their user data is the whole thing that's the whole And so there's no way to do this And I think the product will be super it'll be amazing It'll be one of the greatest products ever created by humanity So yes like I think we should all be aware of the privacy concerns But like at what cost i think it's very millennial of us to be concerned about the privacy

concerns And I do not think I think if we were three Zoomers on this podcast uh no we would not even bring that up Yeah Yeah Privacy concerns feel very battle tested We've seen this over the last decade or two where if the product is good enough and it improves your life enough you will just feed it whatever it needs to make it better Um and there's like these kind of concentric circles of people where the widest they they kind of don't really care who takes their data because it just makes their life better and they're like "Oh whatever At least my life is better." And then there's the group that kind of knows like oh yeah like AT&T is tracking every move that I have and and I'm getting tracked across all these data points and nothing is actually private but it's still like kind of okay because they

they pretend like it's private and my life is again better And then there's this like very very small circle that's like no privacy is important I really care about this And they are just outnumbered vastly by the people who just want a better quality of life and do not care how much they have to give to it in order to achieve that Well well I think I agree with you and I think another way to frame it is the the big corporations that own all this data and are leveraging it to their advantage to make money is um trending trending treading a line basically It's like uh how much can we scr from these people without them like revoling basically and if if there's some kind of dire event where everyone's like what the hell like you know Facebook influencing

presidential elections or whatever then you know you might get a large uprising and people will complain about owning their own data but still even that didn't shift people So I I I just think this is going to be a a virtuous loop It's just going to get deeper and deeper I don't know whether that's morally or ethically good I don't think it's my kind of like position to even comment on that but I I just see this trend where like just people just won't care you know they'll become walking advertisements That's they're winning the social consensus game too Like the meme that David showed earlier getting a million likes on it being in a positive light I think that's super important The early days of winning that social consensus like oh this is good this is friendly this is helpful that will go a long way towards uh allowing them to

collect as much as they want for better I think the stories of like this lady falling in love with her ChachiBT and then having that relationship be literally deleted I think those are the exception I think there's probably far more stories that are just very positive in small ways that you just never really hear And that shows up in the fact that these like positive memes about Chat GPT are getting over millions of likes All right Banklist Nation is the AI rollup where we cover all the weekly news uh in the AI space which is moving very very fast and I'm finding this incredibly educational just doing this with you too So Jaws Josh uh thank you for guys for coming on and teaching me and the bankless nation everything about AI This is a big week this week Uh but before we

go into the rest of the news we're going to talk about Google's agent to agent protocol We're going to talk about OpenAI launches GPT 4.1 and in just an hour from the moment of recording they're also going to release 3 So we have to have the weekly model talk because everything is getting leaprogged Uh and then Nvidia wants to build AI chips here in the United States and Google launches a cursor vibecoded competitor Uh so vibe coding is only it's only going up Before we get into all these subjects we got to talk to our friends and sponsors over at Wallet Connect If you are a crypto user you're probably familiar with Wallet Connect It just is the easiest way to connect your wallet to your application any permutation of wallets to all the applications that exist in crypto

Trusted by over 255 million different connections by 40 million unique users around the world Probably one of the most used pieces of infrastructure in crypto They are launching the WC token If you have uh any familiarity with how the Swift network or the Visa network got bootstrapped by a consortium of entities who are all our stakeholders in the ecosystem this is very similar to that I did an episode with Pedro from Wallet Connect If you want to learn more about that there's a link in the show notes to get started with Wallet Connect and stay ahead of what's next Check it out banklist.cc/walletconnect Uh so before we get into those topics David um I actually have uh a quick kind of set of things that I think I want your take on And by the way this is the

super important stuff Um so like put your serious hat on for a second you know like the no fun vibes here Like I I need your honest take Okay are you ready to go i don't think this is I think this is going to be fun I think this is going to be fun vibes No look at my face There's literally not a hint of a smile on my face Okay so so so let's dig into the first one Um 1,000 AI agents versus one Minecraft server So someone had the bright idea of spinning up basically uh character profiles in your typical Minecraft server but it was all run autonomously by different AI models that they fine-tuned basically And the outcome was pretty hilarious Um so firstly like they were just left to kind

of like go in their own means and what ended up happening was uh these agents ended up creating or leveraging religion to influence each other So like the equivalent of like a church or a cult kind of philosophy Uh they also created their own economy in terms of trading different crops and weapons for their particular tasks So you had some agents or Minecraft pro users or these Minecraft agents exploring and mining for minerals and they were like "Hey this mineral could be useful Wait I I can create a fire Oh well I can use that fire to cook." So they all started kind of basically speedrunning human evolution Um just like over the spa span of I think I don't know I think this simulation was run for like 3 days or something Um pretty insane things Um

David your serious and honest take please Uh my first question is where did motivation come from like why were the people motivated at all to do anything well I I think this got really existential Yeah really Thanks for keeping this fun David Um but no I I think people are just obsessed with AI being as human as they can right that's why people care about it right why do people care about HGBT it sounds very human And I think they kind of wanted to see well if we kind of planted this AI into like a virtual version of ourselves would it kind of do similar things that we would do or would they kind of like why do I do what I do yeah Why do you do what you do right I don't know You know

you know and then think about taking this a step further David and putting like an AI model into a robot which is going to happen pretty you know pretty pretty soon Um you know we'll see the physical reality of that manifesting Anyway um moving on Um What are people's big takeaways before you move on what what what are other people's big takeaways from this whole simulated humanity experience inside of Minecraft um so I think most people were entertained by it They were like "Huh that's kind of cool." Like they created like the same kind of things that we did huh anyway on to the on onto the next TikTok A few people a minority of people to note actually were kind of uh concerned by this because they were like well you know if they're so human maybe

they could technically be better versions of ourselves And look they did this over like 3 days versus whatever the 10,000 years it took for people to form cults religion create fires cook and and start learning and teaching each other So maybe it could speedrun humanity in itself But that again was a very small percentage of people Most people don't care Josh what what was your takeaway did you see this on your timeline and what did you think about this i did Yeah this actually happened a few months ago I saw it and I skipped it and then I saw it again and I was like "Wait I should not have skipped it This is actually super super cool." Um as a hardcore gamer I love playing games I've spent countless weeks of my life in Minecraft I think it's really exciting to have like intelligence that we could

interact with in the game space in the like metaverse world Uh one thing I'm super excited about is uh AI and NPCs in video games and how they could kind of feel like real human people And we're seeing this like incremental stepping towards this humanlike metaverse second reality And I think this is a really cool example of that actually happening where we have a thousand separate entities that can all think on their own all engage on their own And if you were to drop yourself in there you would very much feel like you were among 10,000 maybe like elementary school students or kids but like real people And I think that's a really fun step that we're seeing and this continued trend towards more immersive games more humanlike experiences that exist in the digital

world Okay Are we bullish gaming as a result i like games Yes Yeah Very much so Yeah Well earlier you said Josh that you know we're going to live in this hyperpersonalized kind of Netflix reality right where all the technology is being personalized to each user Well why not have that in games wouldn't that like make your gaming experience so much better you may have already heard about Infinex Infinex has in my opinion the nicest crosschain swap and bridge feature that you will find anywhere It is called Swidge Swap and Bridge and we're going to show you what it looks like First we're going to log into my Infinex account with a pass key Now there's no seed phrases in Infinex This is a one-click setup with biometric pass

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change their lives set up billion dollar plus businesses leveraging all these different tools And this week um there was a growing trend of people asking ChatGBT to turn their pets into what it would think of them as humans Uh so if we pull up this uh we pull up this thread Justine over here um has given us like her yikes It's weirdly weirdly accurate you know Uh if you scroll down you've got kind of like a Scooby-Dooesque kind of like shaggy you know um type situation going here with this guy in the in the orange shirt Um the Dalmatian I'm not really convinced by but uh the the next two I definitely am you know like you know you got the smart little collar

reflecting on the human hair It's just uh yeah fascinating use These are really good Look at the um the the one that says my cat That really looks like the cat You know the lady next to it You see it with the blue eyes pretty um pretty crazy Yeah Wow Animals to a new level Yeah I don't know what to think about this The point is I don't think you need to think about it David You just need to to click and and enjoy Um moving on Oh this guy's this guy's place messed up Okay All right Please move on Yeah Okay So moving on Um Google uh I think we mentioned this on last week's episode has been breaking frontier advancements for AI Um their recent uh Gemini 2.5

Flash has been absolutely killing the game and leading on all benchmarks It's up to Open AI in the next couple hours to see whether it beats it But also in the meantime Google is doing side quests guys Um they released this model and this is not an April Fool's thing Note that this was released on April 14th um called Dolphin Gemma How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication So if you So cool So if you want to know are you got to be [ __ ] me i am not I'm not [ __ ] you This is 100% real This came from Sunda's uh very own Twitter profile as well So basically there's this model that can use audio uh excerpts of dolphins to understand what the dolphin is saying and then respond

to the dolphin with whatever you want to say to it You know that you could talk to We can talk to dolphins before GTA 6 Yeah we can we can totally talk to dolphins Isn't that That's pretty insane This is nuts Yeah When I want to talk to I literally I was about to say that I was like the natural response to this is people are like "All right well can we speak to our dogs?" Yeah please I mean do dolphins have a more highfidelity like speech They have like more character in their speech Dogs you become the animal expert Dogs just bark All they all they do is bark and they bark differently Uh but you you you have seen dogs press those little buttons

that like have semantic meaning that they learn So there's something there I You're saying the IQ of the dolphins are high Well yeah dolphins are super smart We know that Yeah that's a hot take Uh I guess but I guess the question is like how powerful can AI get and how smart do you need to be in order to like establish like communication with some agent with some LLM that can understand you wow dude The future's weird man That's weird That's going to be really fun when you could communicate with any animal Yeah Mhm All right let's keep us going Uh well let's go Should we go back to the serious stuff guys god damn it You have not We have not done anything serious Okay so moving on to more meaningful big things Um Google this

week launched something called their agentto agent protocol right so the the TLDDR of this is think of it as like an API for AI agents And these agents can now talk to each other across any kind of platform whether you're on Slack Google whatever you're on it doesn't matter And it's a protocol that enables these agents to work together on tasks without directly sharing things like their internal memory their thoughts or their tools Now if you think about yourself as like a major company right you want to leverage this AI stuff More importantly you want to leverage agents to automate a lot of the work that your employees currently do but you don't really want to share data uh especially with your competitors right and that's

been the problem that's been holding back agents kind of like flourishing in our world today And now this new protocol is an open standard that allows them to do so privately and confidentially uh without having to worry about scale cost communication standards or any of that issue Right Um now if this sounds similar uh to something that we've discussed previously on the show you wouldn't be wrong um model context protocol released by Amazon's anthropic or rather anthropic um sounds pretty similar but there's a very important difference um that I think I want to point out very quickly and then tell you how they kind of like work together right so MCP model context protocol is all about the tools that you give AI right so let's say you

give your AI model access to uh Slack or a data set right um you know you could be open's 40 model right and I'm giving you access to tool called Slack which you can use to chat to people right but the issue is uh and the irony here is it's called model context protocol but it doesn't have any context at all now this new standard by Google which is an open standard by the way which anyone can adopt amend fork or whatever handles the whole context goal setting and behavior of that interaction So for example setting up the chat groups with people that your LLM should speak to first or making sure it gets feedback uh at the right time from the right individuals or helping extract

information from a diagram one person shared versus the handwritten notes of another And the point of this is that um you can now create very specific uh agents to do very specific things without needing to worry about how it integrates with with anything And there were some really cool features Actually I pulled this infographic which someone shared uh on Twitter uh which I think is is really useful to kind of like help you visualize what this agent can do or what the standard can do Now firstly there's this thing where each agent gets something called an agent card Now think of this as kind of like a Pokémon card but for each agent it'll describe their nature their capabilities their costs their availability Basically it's all

the stats and it's written in in JSON The second thing is you can define a task or a goal for that agent to complete Um and the third thing is these agents can now negotiate with each other And we're not talking about theory here by the way You you have agents which are talking to like you have Slack agents that are talking to like GitHub agents and being like "Yeah I'm not ready with this code or I think you need to revise and fix this Okay I'll postpone my update to the group lead or whatever until this is done." And you have agents negotiating price accessibility all these different kinds of things And so most people would respond to this and be like okay this is a great amount of theory EAZ but like you know is anyone actually using this well they actually

announced that they're launching with 50 partners which include like really big names like Salesforce Atlassian SAP So I think there's going to be a real focus on enterprise use cases and stuff But I thought this was really cool because finally agents will have utility Yeah is the idea behind this trying to just like defragment the agent landscape that is found all across web 2 So we have we have all these agents There's like the whole idea is like if you're a web two company if you if you sell software you need to put AI into your software and that just to stay competitive that is just where we are going You need to in order to exist as a company you need to put AI into your software in order for that software to be useful What happens as a result of that is that we just have

a fragmented landscape of AI and the utility of the AI is just found everywhere and that's just really annoying because you have to go to all these different places like uh GitHub plus AI can only be found on GitHub and and so if you are talking in Slack and maybe there's AI in slack somehow uh and we need to understand the state or something about the context of GitHub that is just like a fragmented ecosystem and so with MCP plus A2A agent to agent And we're just trying to defragment everything so that context and the state of things is uh known across the internet across whatever app or service like whether you're in Slack or you're in Meta or you're you're anywhere and and but then so I think that's useful

that's useful to understand It kind of seems like we're actually just aggregating them all together and so when it all collapses down into one interface this one interface can know the state of all things on the internet all at once when when you zoom out So so let me take it even a step further David What if it was your own personal AI model for your own enterprise that knew everything about it or knows everything about it right so earlier we were talking about how OpenAI themselves uh updated their memory architecture right so now it knows everything about you This is kind of the same happening for an enterprise that can spin up a bunch of agents and then tap into everything that is relevant for them So the cursor tool the Slack tool access to social

media to see what the vibe check is of that company at that one time and bring it all together into one model Okay Okay So let's just use Banklist as an example Uh we have a Slack uh we have a Twitter we have an Instagram uh we have a YouTube um we also have a GitHub um we have a bunch we have a few more things We have we have our content calendar which is in ASA which is a just a web two like project management tool Uh and so you're saying with agentto agent protocol assuming that all a like those things all become AI with this tool with this middleware I will be able to like query something inside of our Slack that tells us everything about the state of bank list across so many disciplines so

many different mediums and that is just a unified experience correct and it could all sounds like Dows can come back we can finally put Uber on the blockchain That's a crazy takeaway That is the most David take ever out of this I was I I I was going to point out the irony of two monopolies of the AI world building the best open-source protocols of recent times and it not coming from web 3 I I know there's a number of AI agent protocols that have actually you know from the web 3 world that have been trying to create something similar to this And I'm curious how that adoption is going to potentially waver um if Google's A2A just becomes the incumbent You know what

I mean like look at MCP Everyone's using MCP Josh I don't know if you've seen any other kind of like open standards that have been adopted as much I feel like Google's just going to be the same At the end of the day it just comes down to traction and stickiness That's it Mhm It feels like we're we're watching we have the opportunity to watch like the beginning of the new version of the internet coming along where we had SMTP protocols and HTTP and now we get to see these people building and launching it up close It's really really cool to see uh cuz this feels so much bigger than the internet does and we are like row seat uh watching it all unfold Yeah Just a constant theme to me is that like the front ends of things are becoming just so obsolete and unnecessary we are just

collap like screens We tal already talked about how screens can go away once we get an AI form factor into our AirPods or whatever form factor comes This to me means like I'll never have to open up like GitHub again Not that they open up GitHub Uh but like you just you just don't have to open up websites as nearly as much anymore Yeah All of that front end just becomes hyper hyper customized for the use case for the user So there there is no standardized front ends anymore It's just custom and and all the stuff happens in the back end That's crazy I don't know what to do with that I need that to become a little bit more real for me to uh have it takes about that That's what's everyone is saying right now I I have a feeling that we're going to see just an explosion of

agents Unironically I know we said that a lot during the web 3 hype but I actually think we're going to start seeing a bunch of really useful agents come out Um yeah you you know okay so maybe this is my PTSD from the past guys but you know what this kind of reminded me of when I first started like learning about this it it gave me the vibe of uh the enterprise blockchain days of 2018 you know and I well because it's like you know these centralized monopolies come here and they're like oh you know let me take this AI thing and and use it for our own kind of like uh private products But I I'm I'm completely wrong there I think because like at the end of the day this is going to create a more open standard for commerce to happen between these

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specified specifically Okay Open AAI's benchmarks You mean Open AAI's benchmarks OpenAI's models beats everyone else on OpenAI's benchmarks Benchmarks and and as we described in the previous uh week's episode benchmarks is this entire game of like you know h I can I can put in my favor Benchmarks are definitely flawed We'll see what people actually create with this But there's I did see that people are competing AI models on uh Pokemon So they're giving they're making them play Pokemon and they're trying to like have the AI model beat Pokemon the quickest And I I agree with that like philosophy of model testing So So if you're listening to this and you haven't already seen someone plug in these new

4.1 models into a Pokémon simulator you could be that person please do it and send us a video and let's see uh let's see what comes of it But anyway kind of going back to like what these models can do Um I'll give you the highlights right number one much better at coding but there's a caveat without the reasoning element And for those of you who are wondering what the hell the reasoning element is it's the part of the new kind of model architecture that makes them super smart right so it's what it's what has given Claude 3.7 model the best advantage at coding But without the reasoning it's the best at coding With reasoning we might see in a few hours when they release 03 Well we'll see what happens Number two 1 million context

window which is equivalent to Gemini Flash 2.5 I believe Josh correct me if I'm if I'm wrong but I I believe it's the same Or was Gemini 2.5 the 10 million context window no that was Meta That was Meta Meta had 10 million I believe Gemini has 1 million And now OpenAI also has 1 million Okay Which is because previously it was it was 100,000 or so So it's about a 10x improvement from 40 A 10x improvement And I believe with the with the 10 million context window that was 75 novels So we've got about 7.5 novels If my math is mathing it's probably not but you know I could ask GBT later to to edit this out or something right but um uh number three it's really good at extracting data and reasoning from documents which seems

like a kind of lame thing but is actually a super important improvement because previously you couldn't just upload PDFs and it would understand everything It would just kind of give you a generalized summary Now it understands all the nuance and and all of that Um now if you're wondering hey EAZ who what's the difference between the main model the mini model and the nano model i was yeah the TLDDR is it each becomes a quarter of the cost of the previous model So mini is 25% of the cost of the normal model and nano is 25% of the cost of the mini model So if you wanted to run it locally at home it's much easier to do right now without sacrificing some of the core

competencies of of all of that Right And they're just a little bit dumber Each one's just a little bit dumber than the other one Correct Correct Um and if we want to play the game of you know benchmarking we can pull up this tweet by Open Router By the way I have a really uh I have another take on Open Router that I actually want to speak to you guys about but but before we get into that um this tweet goes Optimus Alpha has topped the charts The community created dozens of benchmarks for Quazar and Optimus over the last week Now if you're wondering what the hell Optimus and Quazar are those were the pseudonyms for these GPT 4.1 models before they became publicly released This company Open Router basically was

able to anonymously give people access to these models And it was OpenAI that enabled this on the back end to get kind of live feedback as to how people would respond to these models whether they thought it was good see how they would use it test it against existing benchmarks themselves And I found that really interesting This isn't the first time Open Router has done this And by the way if I'm not mistaken this is um Alex Zatala's new company the uh Open This is OpenC Yeah So he he left OpenC a while ago to go do AI and the Open Wow That's that's it Open is Yep O Optimus Alpha weirdly close to Open AI Come on guys Point I think they did it intentionally

but yeah So so as you can see like just through public kind of use it's kind of slayed across a bunch of different benchmarks Of course the only real test is kind of like seeing this thing out in the wild And uh it's currently only limited to API access which is kind of lame to be honest I want like everyone to have access to this on their main GPT terminal but you know it's interesting to see Um Josh I'm wondering if you have any takes on this new model Maybe you've seen something I haven't Yeah Yeah No that was pretty comprehensive I think it's it's another week It's another better model Um in about 10 minutes we're going to get 03 which is the reasoning version of this new model It'll be even better What does it mean to to be a reasoning version what does

it mean to add reasoning so reasoning uh relies on the thing that we spoke about which is the context window and this thing called chain of thought where the model thinks in English There's not much code happening So each time a new token is spit out it will consult all the previous tokens to come up with a better answer So as it thinks more it's able to take that live context that it has and give you better answers So the longer it thinks in general uh the better quality the answers will be because for example with the transformer if you ask it to do oneplus 1 it will do that entire um compute in one run of the transformer which is not very comput intensive So if you give it a lot of tries at solving a

more complicated answer it will normally give you better answers So that's why reasoning the more it thinks the better the results are but it just requires a lot more compute power which is expensive So I think the the 4.1 announcement is all about pricing and accessibility I think the Nano is probably the most interesting story of them all because of how cheap it is and a lot of companies are actually just offering it for free for the next seven days So we'll see what happens as this cost of intelligence continues to go down but remains high quality I think 03 I mean again we'll have some news next week it will be even better even more powerful and it's just this continued iteration towards getting these like super models Where does 03 fit so like right now when I open up OpenAI oBT I look I'm using 4.5 chatbt 4.5 or or 40

maybe is what I'm using I don't know Uh what is is 03 the new premier model is this the new iPhone 17 is this new like Frontier model that Open AI is like where does it fit in the stack it should be uh this new one will be the new Frontier model Currently it's 4.5 which is their like most cutting edge model Uh 4.5 is actually being depreciated They are shutting that down They are um going to do 03 and possibly um 4 or 5.0 I think comes next That's the big one But this is kind of the step in between 5.0 0 which is the big one and the current one that we have which is 4.5 Uh it's messy Their naming is messy but this should be on paper the new flagship model that we're getting And I think all

eyes are going to be on whether 03 beats Gemini's 2.5 Flash Um oh yeah for context here like Google is leading the model race right now which is shocking because not too long ago um their image generation AI was producing pictures of the forefathers which were of completely different ethnic races to the original black Nazis I remember Yeah exactly So the fact that they've been able to catch up so quickly is highly commendable to them Um I saw someone have a take on uh X which said that if 03 ends up beating uh 2.5 or Gemini 2.5 Flash then I think that's the incentive for Google to drop

their 3.0 Flash which would then lead to OpenAI uh releasing their uh 5.0 God there's too many models Uh but then but they're like like you know their latest and greatest which will beat them and he estimates that they they being open AI only have a six-month lead right now And remember that was like quoted as like two to three years um not too long ago So pretty crazy I am very much looking forward to the point in history that was illustrated in the 27 uh AI 2027 document which illustrated that AI models stop getting released and they just start naturally improving incrementally like day after day week after week and it's no longer you know

chatb40 or whatever or whatever whatever it's just there's just one model and it just gets better incrementally because they learn how to like train and release to production at the same time Uh Josh do do you think there'll be a new kind of model architecture to enable that what David just described so like the self-arning situation um it seems like it's probably an iteration on the current one which is just transformer based architecture I would imagine uh and we're kind of seeing this with Grock where Grock released Grock 3 but Grock 3 got kind of better every single week and it's continuing to get better and that's because of the post- training phase um it requires a lot more compute to fine-tune after the main model's been trained And I think what we're seeing in the case of Grock because that's the one

example that I have seen is as it receives more data on a daily basis and as they kind of come up with more algorithmic efficiencies or ways to improve it on the fly they can do this post- training run fairly quickly and fairly cheaply and just kind of roll it out on top of that base model on a regular basis So I don't think there's an architecture shift I'm sure if there was one it would be a huge unlock and I'm sure people are trying to work on it But the current transformer architecture with post- training stacked on top probably is sufficient enough to get to that self-recursive learning where it can kind of improve on a regular basis and push updates live without needing to do the entire base training run again Guys this is I this is so great I'm learning so much and there's so much to

be excited for This was I think just a great week uh in in AI world and it just continues to to be like this Yeah Yeah I mean we're literally in the midst of it I know We're about to see another Frontier model drop in a few hours It's it's pretty insane the rate of progress Oh I think it's actually dropping right now So I think we're going to have to wrap up this episode It's going to come out there The OpenAI 3 model 03 model will already be out by the time people are listening to this But me Josh and you guys are going to drop so we can go go watch that live stream Bankless Nation this has been your weekly AI rollup Probably the best the best place to keep up with AI If any listener is listening to a different podcast that

it's like this I want to know because we are going to make this podcast better but I'm pretty sure this is the best place to keep up with AI Uh and that is thanks to my incredible co-hosts here at Jaws and Josh Josh thank you for doing this once again this week with me I appreciate it It's been awesome My pleasure Yeah another great week Uh Josh is going to be out adventuring in the real world without AI next week So we might miss it next week Maybe or maybe me and EJ just see if we can run it without Josh Uh Josh have a great trip my man Thank you Yeah by the time I come back I expect at least three new Frontier models to be released Yeah we we might have replaced you with an AI agent by that time We'll see how

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