S7 Ep. 9 - The Power Of Communities In Web3 & Beyond W/ Anjali

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I'm going to buy some turbo and I'm going to buy some Pepe but I'm not a Trader right like I buy what I like I put $5 into turbo $5 that $5 became $450 hello I like money well uh what did you done there like uh what was this year about actually money so am am I a winner or a loser did you ever think a meme coin would be a part of the US government what like so I I just don't see an end to what's going to what's possible with mean coins and people interest in mean coins and they think it's possible with Elon anything is possible that's [Music]

true you know the fact that we have Global money now gives me so much hope some of Humanity's biggest problems I think are going to be able to be solved because now we have a Global Currency managing trolls and managing people that are there just to like cause trouble is such a huge part of the job if you have uh your crypto wallet it's not like a bank account so if someone will take money from your credit card like the bank can reverse the transaction and like just like get you the money back because it's just number on their balance sheet but in crypto if the transaction are executed there is no reverse but it's just done and then I was watching this award show clip on

Instagram and um Jim Carrey Do you know Jim Carrey now I feel better so Jim Cary they were like oh Jim Carrey what do you like to do in your free time oh my God uh you know investing in crypto mostly I'm making a coin of my own it's called bitter coin welcome to the green pill. network podcast if you're just joining us we're building a coordination a network Society of thousands of hackers dreamers and doers using crypto to bring positive sum digital systems to the world this podcast features the people who are doing and we publish a season of 5 to 10 episodes every couple months this season is about how to Dow I am releasing a book with my co-author H car who is also a dow native person and we are really

excited about helping people find prosperity and to help them thrive in the frontier for time in Memorial people have gone to the frontier in order to find new prosperity new opportunities and our generation's Frontier is the internet we want to teach people about the future of dows the future of Internet coordination and this season of how to Dow is all about how do we do that how do we Dow how do we find more prosperity in the internet Frontier and this guest season of five to 10 episodes is going to be about how to Dow um the next voices that you'll hear will be myself or my guest co-host punar talking about how to Dow hope you enjoy this season see you peace welcome to the how

toow podcast brought to you by Green pill.com Network today I'm thrilled to welcome my good friend Angeli yon co-founder and chief Community officer of cabl we've known each other for couple years and seeing her journey in the web Tre space has been amazing Angel has been active in online communities um since I believe online become a thing uh serving as both a member and in leadership positions at cluband she focus on onboarding tokenized Project and partners ensuring the platform's community of communities is safe and welcoming and educating others about web 3 EOS and

values Ang it's great to have you here how have you been I've been great it's great to see you absolutely uh it's great seeing you honestly I mean yes you're my friend and I love seeing you and whenever we see each other at conferences I'm always so so happy so being able to see you and being invited to be on your podcast is really special of course it's nice to talk about the industry and cand but it's just really nice to see you too so thank you yeah it's it's always great to also meet in person as you said at the conference and stuff and maybe let's start right there I know you just written from a conference Miami it's one of the biggest NFD conferences which is happening every

year uh well uh what did you done there like uh what was this year about actually yeah so Miami where I just came from is Art basil it's actually not an nft conference so art basil is like a they have art shows so people go down to Miami during this one H maybe seven to 10 days and there's all these galleries that open up and they have huge tents on the beach where every one goes and displays from all over the world it's quite amazing so galleries go and they display the art and people buy art so everything's for sale and then starting about three years ago nft or at least

when I started going to Art basil nft projects also started getting attracted to the art basil scene I mean there's a art and digital kind of connection right like nft artists A lot of them people you know like so many artists are like fine artists as well and so there was a combination there and so nft projects started having events down there so a lot of nft projects at cin supports and then like magic Eden had a big house this time um so there's just like multiple mini conferences going on so like rug radio had a whole week of events so every day they have different events and different speakers magic Eden had it like all many different nft te projects have it um Pizza da always do

does one my good friend snacks always has a pizza da event so it's kind of become a conference but they're all isolated events and I I was telling you a little bit about this before we started which is traveling that's why there's so much traveling when you're in Miami and that's like the biggest problem because all the events are at different locations and traffic is like Peak traffic because it's art basil so you have all these different types of people that are all in Miami at the exact same time and it causes a lot of traffic but it's beautiful it's wonderful it's actually probably my absolute favorite event of the whole year I mean if it was in Paris it would be my very favorite but Miami is pretty

great in December um but it's a combination of Art and technology and community so for me I always at least take one afternoon to go and see all of the art like the physical art and it's such a joy to be able to do that and and be like I'm here for work but I also get to really be a part of this other type of culture that's going on which is like physical art culture so yeah nice uh that's super cool actually uh didn't know it's like such a blend uh so basically people who are interested in art but also maybe Tech Geeks like they're all kind of converging uh there uh once a year and yes and Miami is sorry I'm G to tell one more thing Miami

is very hospitable to crypto to crypto and to nfts and to Art so it's like the um State itself or the city itself is very much wanting crypto excitement and are inviting to crypto as well which is great yeah Miami became a believe T up like during Co mostly like you know it's attracting people from different places like uh New York or even from San Francisco because of like tax reasons and also it's it's a nice weather there and I believe there was one of the perks you got like coming from Colorado to Miami like it's a little better better there a little better uh it was so wonderful like I wore sandals every

single day I wore dresses every single day uh yeah no pants and boots which is really nice so yeah I did I do like that the weather is a perk and I hope I keep get to keep going every single year because go to Miami in December just do it everyone should do it it's just perfection exactly so there is like this nice balance of like you know you get this perks even though it's it's for work so regarding the work part I want to get to it and like I know you're a co-founder of cola Bland and uh maybe let's start there uh so what is actually COA Bland doing we're we started with

where we are now and what we're going to be doing how about that we can do it in three parts um we started as a dow tool that's it just straight up Dow tool in May of 2020 This was meant to be a dow tool which is you know who's in your Dow you all get into a chat group together and you can meet the other people of your da in your Dow you can come up with ideas together you can work together you can all the good things decide what proposals are passed you know all that kind of good stuff have discussion um so it started with that but it very quickly evolved in the summertime of 2020 with defi summer all these investment groups popped up then nft groups so we've been up until now so started with the Dow tooling and then now we support all

different types of communities like aty infinity and all of their different projects um we support and that's gaming it's like straight up people that are gab and then we have uh brands that use us and then we have nft projects that use us and investment groups that use us and then protocols a lot of alpha groups actually now Alpha groups in 2021 were like back in 2021 2020 Alpha groups were more like your friends like you were invited to them right it's like okay I'm in a couple of alpha groups because I know this person and that person I got invited but this time around people are like selling a nft and being like holders of this nft can be in my group and that group is kind of an alpha group

I mean since January we're like in meme coin season every time I think that mem coin season has peaked there's another level of meme coin I will tell you the meme coin life has really there's been lots of UPS it's been up only just in the interest that people have in m coins so and then this week we had the pedy Penguins drop right so it's like even when you think like oh meme coins have kind of are peing but then pudgy Penguins comes and it's like 220,000 new holders like it's wild like I don't know mem coins I don't see an end for mem coins right now I I wonder what's gonna happen with that I don't know I've just seen it

keep going up anyway so now you have these Alpha groups you buy the NF you join the group and it's all mean corn talk like what are we buying what are we doing what's going on with this project and the fun part about it is that there's a lot of real interesting projects that have meem coins now like the whole AI space is super interesting and I'll get to that but and they have there's so many meme coins that are Ari meme coins or last time around I bought a token and again none of this is financial advice if you knew what my trading history was you would know this is not take my advice however I'll tell you about one win if you can call it a win I was like okay I'm going to buy some turbo and I'm gonna buy some Pepe

but I'm not a Trader right like I buy what I like I put five dollar into turbo $ five dollar that $5 became $450 and so am am I a winner or a loser I should have put $5,000 into it right but you just just never know so anyway so that was one from like last cycle and it's still doing well you know Pepe is doing well dog with hat is a big winner this time MOG is a big winner this time I mean Doge the government is now having the department of governmental efficiency or whatever and they're calling it Doge I mean did you ever think a meme coin would be a part

of a US Government what like so I I just don't see an end to what's GNA what's possible with mean coins and people interest didn't me coins crazy anyway anything is possible with Elon anything is possible that's true I it's yeah it's really interesting I mean he was one of the first people I remember talking publicly about Doge right like he talked about it on Saturday Night Live Like I don't know how many years ago and now he's really kind of a influential figure in the government now so it's really interesting anyway I talked a little bit about AI but where we're moving toward and what's going going on so we're supporting communities always thinking of ways to support communities um what

do communities need how do we make them function better I mean a lot of the things that we've been thinking about in this last few months is like how do we make Dows work better I mean you this is you know how to Dow right we know about Dows but when you know about Dows you know about how the sausage is made right you know all of it and no one's pretending um there's a lot of problems with it too right we're still humans at the end and we still are lazy and uninterested and easily distracted and all of the same problems you have anywhere else you're going to have in Dallas so how do we use AI to maybe optimize that

experience and make it more fun or pleasurable for the humans and then have the AI do all of the grunt work that's pretty much like where we're what we're thinking about now in terms of like um how to approach the future which is like this we call it now Community tech one of our employees um Candy rud moose she came up with this idea she's like you know this is really Community Tech and I was like oh I love that because once you have a name for it people will think of it as something to do and so if you want more people to build in community call it something call it Community Check and then they can say oh I wanted I have an idea for a community oh and there's this

industry called Community Tech right naming is so so powerful and so um yeah we think for us Community Tech is like how do we advance Community how do we advance the ways people come together in a group and try to accomplish something or enrich their lives how do we make that more functional and more pleasurable and then Dows is a great one because it's such a you know what people do in Dows right they vote they make proposals and they vote and they spend money so it's like you know the things that they do and then you can think okay how do we make those experiences ones that humans actually do want to participate in because I believe you know my co-founder James also my husband

of many years um both of us feel like yes when decisions are made by a group when they are people are able to give different opinions and a vote happens based on those different opinions um about what people want and what the majority of people want like that is the way we should be moving forward so at least people's voices can be heard but you know as well as I know in our current system of Dells that's not happening so how do we get back to that ideal Vision I guess and I think now there's a real opportunity with AI I mean I could talk for I don't know two hours on all the things that we can do now that we have ai but short story is that's where we're moving to I mean

we're doing some other things too like tipping which we were like ah we got to get that tipping out and so tipping we're going to get out we just actually demoed tipping nfts today in our town hall again who shows up at town hall right is people lose interest we used to have hundreds of people now we have like 10 people but we did demonstrate um how to tip nfts within your Discord server and then it'll also be within your telegram group so it's like what are the ways yeah what are the different things that we can do so we're tipping is coming but also integrating AI I and I can talk a little bit about you know where we are on that path whenever you want but um integrating AI into communities and improving the lives of humans as a result it's uh well it's

amazing like you know how you are caring actually about communities and Dows and that's why you know I really appreciate your work and also James work uh on this because like you know we need to work together to make the Dow movement happen it's not easy uh and we know that uh but we are bringing the best possible Minds we're building the really cool technology to actually you know enable it and maybe still not there but uh I feel like we are getting you know every time we are getting just like step closer uh to just just work better and like as you said like back then like you

know when you started as a dow tool it was messy messy times and da to started as well and you know it worked like half of the time kind of thing but now some of the Dows are pretty efficient and like they figure out the way uh to go like but what I like really you know wanted to ask you like where is the like the passion for communities coming from like how you got actually originally like you know into the communities and really caring about this like Pockets either on online on IRL um because like I can I can feel it well I'll tell you I started very

very early so you know since actually before the internet um I grew up in a pretty conservative town and you're seeing the same people all the time and you want to as a teenager explore and meet new people and so my best friend and I used to dial up to a BBS with our modems uh this is you know million years ago and we'd meet people and play games with them they were called muds multi-user games like um so we would do that like meet people in the groups and chat with them and really the same thing that happens in Discord now we were doing but before the internet I didn't know it was called the internet it was just a BBS that you dialed into and it was it was a server in somebody's garage

like it didn't it wasn't connected to anything else if you wanted to go to another BBS you had to call another number and then the modem has to connect anyway so those were those days and then it kind of just stayed with me like online communities just I was always a part of some kind of online community so even then when the internet started like I was a part of uset so I don't even know if you would know any of this messed upu but that was kind of an online chat group uset and then um over the years I've just always been a part of you know I my secretly am an artist or I think of myself as an artist so I've always been involved in like art groups and crafting as well and um different things that people are interested in like I've just always been

interested in and it's been an easy way to meet people that have your similar interests and then my children are adopted and so I've been in a lot of international adoption groups and then I H actually I was a moderator for a Facebook group with 60,000 adoptive parents so you know big groups as well and then I homeschooled my daughter and my son for a little bit and I belong to homeschooling groups because you need to know like what should I be doing what are the rules what are this like it's just a great way you know to get all the information you need when in your local community people don't know what you're talking about so I think the reason I am

so passionate about communities is because they've been such a huge part of my life like I've always been in an online community of one or five like I it's just been a part of my entire life since I was 18 years old and with crypto it's pretty incredible because it's another type of community where people are connecting in a different way and it's a global movement like I've never been able to experienced that before so it's like it's like a whole different type of online community and I feel extremely grateful that we were able to be at the heart of it like token gating

really was the seed that created online digital crypto communities tokenized communities so for me I'm still in the very much like oh like this is a new type of community like what could we do here like what's possible you know the fact that we have Global money now gives me so much hope for what we're going to be able to accomplish as a species some of Humanity's biggest problems I think are going to be able to be solved because now we have a Global Currency a way to transact globally without those political and geographical barriers so there's so much possible in this space we're going to be able to do real things

that affect everybody and it's an online community which like I said I've just been always a part of so it's like superpowered superpowered online community and that's where it comes from like I yeah I don't know what else I this is a dream it's still like a dream that I get to do this as a job wellow uh it sounds you are still on it and like also like what I hear it's like you've been Community leader but also kind of tech Pioneer because like you tried all the new tech when it uh came around yeah and uh so like I would love to hear like from your perspective like what's the biggest advantage of like this tokenized communities compared to

like the Facebook groups because like you said like you've been part of like 16,000 member Facebook group but now moderator moderator you know like actually leading that group but now like we have this like tokenized communities like you need to buy an nft or you need to be you know do something to receive the token and stuff like that like what are the advantages actually going that direction compared to just being on Facebook there's so many but I'll start with the really the most basic one which is like in Facebook groups or any where like managing trolls and managing people that are there just to like cause trouble is such a huge part of the job like I can't

even tell you like everyone you don't even know who's who right and so you don't know who's there because they really care about it or if they're there just because they whatever reason there's just crazy people and so there's these troll management is a big part of it and in crypto tokenized communities when people behave a certain way everyone is feeling responsible for it because they're like hey dude I bought this nft I'm in this group we're trying to find ways to make the number go up or become more popular or whatever get the attention of soand so because of the financial aspect of it or The Sweat Equity part of it you can sweat yourself

into some Dows or into some nft projects from doing work or attending different events but there's some they've given something and when people give something then there's a different relationship I don't know it's the human beings are just like that when we pay for something or we give something as a to in to be in something then we care about that more yeah that's one part of it but also you get to meet people from all over the world obviously and you know they have the same interest in same thing as you like they're paying attention you and I are paying attention into this thing let's say we join the green plants Community green plants nft all different

nfts are all green plants and you and I bought them now we're in that group together I know you paid attention to green plants I paid attention to green plants it's like we already have something in common and people are collecting themselves or grouping themselves based on interest and based on attention and I am fascinated by that because previously right it's people in your neighborhood it's if you're a mom you know whatever it's like different ways people connected and now people are connecting just based on their interests and then they have their own money so you know I know there's a lot of ideas about like online States or online

governments right it's like that's kind of what we're already doing we might be citizens of multiple communities and we're doing different things in all of those communities but this one thing you have in common is that you're interested in all of those communities so Gathering by interest I think is really interesting nfts are really interesting because if you find one early for example Bard ape if you minted board ape you paid 0.007 e if you claimed a crypt punk you paid zero right and so you have those people in the community and then you have people in the community that paid $100,000 for that nft or millions of dollars for a crypto Punk and now you have events you're obviously you're in a chat group together so you have access

to those people but you're also in IRL events right you go to different events like I went to AP Fest this year for the first time and I got to meet a bunch of people from aest I've been invited to crypto punks brunch before I don't have a crypt punk I'm an aspiring Crypt Punk holder but I got invited to the brunch a few times so I get to see and I'm like oh what a cool Network like and the fact that I could have just gotten my Crypt Punk for free so like I'm not of a certain financial status but I'm in this group this collection of people and there are people that I have access to that bought it for millions of dollars and maybe are the CEO of this company or our professional baseball player or

whatever the fact is I have access in a way that was just not ever possible in the history of humanity so I am very much excited about that the fact that you didn't have to pay $100,000 and you really don't for anything um if you find it early enough if it catches your interest early enough you can do that I mean it's it's not just that it's everything's expensive like you if you're watching the space if you're interested in the space if you're watching different projects like you can get into things it's like your curiosity is the same thing like you can make money or like make connections based on your just curiosity we reward curiosity

I guess I can say um in crypto and that is also very exciting but yeah I love that I love that people from all over the world all different types of people people that never had the opportunity to raise their status in any way before are able to now do it I mean it's arbitrary right that you're born the way you're born and it's arbitrary that I'm born the way I'm born like we're wearing these skin suits and we had no control over what we were going to be right like I am a Indian woman a middle-aged Indian woman that's just what I am and you are a middle like I don't know you're in your 30s you're a young um European man living in San Francisco so we don't have control over that and we have

limitations based on that but crypto just like breaks all of those apart well be better lucky so I think you know we didn't have control over it but look at us on a podcast H well it no this is this is great and I really like like how you basically frame it like for people who might actually not be in crypto just yet but like what can get you in and what can be the value in a month or a couple years of down the road it's like you connect with like very important people or people you just have share the same values as you the first thing you need

to do is not to buy in but to be curious curious like the Curiosity can get you like very very very very far very far very far if not everything I would say maybe curiosity isn't going to be the only thing but it's essential like unless you can just buy yourself into stuff okay fine so maybe there's some 1% that can just come in and buy themselves into everything but the rest of us you need curiosity you need to be living breathing interested at least a little bit of your time has to go into learning about it and it's quite thrilling you know and I'm going to go on a tiny Tang but I like to watch standup comedy on Netflix right there's these standup

comedy um specials and so I like to watch them and I will tell you the last three or four that I watched and I can't remember everybody I can remember yesterday's part of their um standup app they mention crypto and so yesterday and it happened again yesterday I was watching a um special on Ronnie Chang he's a comedian Ronnie Chang um and he talked about crypto he's like oh you have some of these Boomers that you know don't even know how to like respond over text and they like sign their name or something unless and then you have people that are using AI to trade crypto in their car and I was like what like that came out

of nowhere and then I was watching this award show clip on Instagram and um Jim Carrey Do you know Jim Carrey yeah so Jim Carrey they were like oh Jim Carrey what do you like to do in your free time he said um I trade crypto all day that's what I like to do oh I posted it on my um on my Twitter account so you can look for the Jim Cary clip and listen to it it is so shocking that it's like now non- crypto related stuff right I'm not listening to crypto podcast I'm just consuming General popular culture and crypto is being referenced it's like what is happening it's really really cool so I think people are beginning to

to see that this is this is something real and maybe it's a huge opportunity for us as human beings yeah and like we are going mainstream like you can see it right right here like I also listened to uh John Stewart you know from Daily Show and he it was not on Daily Show but he has his own kind of small podcast on the side and there was Mark Cuban on the last interview and basically the first half of the 1our interview just about crypto what's crypto cry about why they people should pay attention to it and really like even you know Markin was like and I don't want to get into politics but you know part of like the Democratic uh you know establish and

like they were kind of like on the we were not sure like what it's their view on crypto it was oh I think it seems pretty negative I say it was pretty and and that doesn't that's really not even going into my politics because I have a lot of different made a lot of different choices but I will say yes that's true because you have to balance nobody's all good and nobody is all bad right but on the Democrat side um yeah it was kind of bad it was kind of bad yeah let's say it was kind of bad but now Mark Cuban is like you should definitely pay attention to crypto because that's changing the world and it's like he was always Pro crypto to be fair but but like this is this is huge and this is huge win for

our industry and you know I how to doubt it's basically trying to onboard more people into crypto through the means of like you can earn your way inous you join the city not like really service service yeah exactly totally yeah so don't go like through the trading kind of part go through like actually trying to do something new and like do it with your friends or with people people who you just meet online I started you know a business bankless Consulting on Discord with people I never met you know that's right just through crypto so that's right my question to you is if people are already

curious or like they kind of got curious right now on this podcast like how they can get involved a little bit more yeah that's a really good good question I mean I think Twitter is a really great place to get started like follow Punk car follow how to Dow follow Kevin aaki if you are interested in me follow me like kind of you're going to have to do some research before you dive in you're going to have to that's just the way it is and that's where curiosity comes in see what PE Twitter spaces are going on go in and listen to follow the people that punler is following like that's how you're going to be able to get some grounding there build some of those

relation start commenting on people's posts on Twitter engage in some conversations have some back and forth like see seek out the people that interest you and the voices that appeal to you like and then you can move into okay I want to join this community and like you said you don't have to pay money to get into them a lot of them you can join and then just be participating as a general person General member not like a tokenized member um and be curious enough and sign up and volunteer every time something comes up and then oftentimes they're going to just let you in they'll let you have the membership I remember meta cartel had that for years and so it's like you have to do a

certain amount of work at a certain amount of events and then they'll let you come in and everyone else has to pay 10 e so you know it's like there's those opportunities are still out there they're out there in my community in the cloudline community so we um just tired a Discord mod today actually well yesterday today um but we just hired a new Discord mod his name is deward and he's now going to be managing on the Cloudland Discord with with the rest of our team and he was a Community member he's been a Community member this whole time never asked for anything never said anything I mean he was always helpful but never asked us of anything never said oh I want to get paid for answering questions nothing he was just so helpful he would answer questions right he would

help people and we're like look at this guy he's been helping us for this long like let's give him a job and so now he's a moderator in our group and so many of the stories of the people that I know in this space started as volunteers as just they're curious about the project they want to help and they're eager and so they start helping and then they get hired into it and you don't even have to leave your other job you can do this on the weekends you can do this at night I mean one of the things about crypto that's both beautiful and horrifying is that it's 247 right it's beautiful and horrifying I mean how else do you describe it I

don't know I love it the most and I hate it the most it's that it's 247 so it can work around anybody's schedule and I don't know you probably remember this but we did a panel together and we were talking about like caregivers stay at home caregivers or people that were disabled or people that were neurode divergent or whatever the reasons that you cannot participate in a traditional Workforce this is an opportunity if you're curious here there's time there's still opportunity here to like learn and have this turn into a career someday and I do not see crypto ever being a back in the office type of job so like all these other companies are like oh you have to get back into the office or we're not going to give raises to people who are

not in the office or you're fired if you don't come back to the office but crypto that's not going to happen we're all completely all over the place we're Global movement there is never going to be a central office that we all go to every day so it really is very Flex for people yeah and like you by working for crypto project or for a dow you are actually earning the governance right so even if there will be a proposal go back to office if you like contributed a lot to the project you will have big say to say no to it you know so it's not like the traditional Corporation you are going just for the paycheck but now you are actually going for something that you will have say for the future direction of the company uh ABS so you

know it's uh there is actually more more to it and yeah and also you know follow angali because she also is part of probably more Community than I am and you know there I know you mentioned when we talk last time some of the good nft communities which maybe people can explore like World of women or something like that yeah those are World women is a good one but yeah you're just going to want to follow people you like and then you'll see there's lots of I mean a lot of mine are the ones from last bull market and so they're a bit pricey they're all coming back up again uh I think role the women is now up to like 08 East like that's kind of steep for people I mean if you would have bought

it during the bar market and I don't know if your audience knows about bull markets and bare markets but bare markets are pretty much the time no one's around it's a ghost town the only people are around like me and pun are waving to each other but nobody's around no one's buying everything everyone is depressed everyone's in I mean I would say Dow people are not we are unfappable because we've seen too much but um we don't get as depressed because we're maybe always depressed but now we have a bull market all the people are coming in everyone wants to buy anything everything so now the prices are up so but there are more opportunities right now but you have to watch out because there's also a lot of scammers you know that was some of the things that we

talked about today during our town hall which is and I will see you about that because of I have that experience from collab land but there's like 100x more scammers during the bull market during the bare Market everyone's depressed but you know what the scammers are not around they're not there as much as they are right now right now they're in every corner like lurking and gonna catch you anywhere you make a mistake on any level uh during the bare Market it's not like that there are still scammers but they're like they they're not making much of an effort yeah so you definitely need to be careful you still online you know crypto it's not probably worse than like any other online kind of platform

but it's easier to get it's I would say it's it's not worse than any other platform but like if I am on I fall for a fake something or another with my credit card it's a very different situation than if you click a a link and all of your funds are gone like I will say I'm all of course I believe in crypto this is a way should be but caveat it is you need to have security I mean one of the things that we talked about today is like have a friend like even if you're in a community if you're thinking about doing something you should be like hey is this a legit website like double check with people it's not enough to check their Twitter and check their website yeah you want to

do those things uh check their whatever check everything else that they have but even then call a friend or get into your community and ask around because the stakes are too high they're just too high we see it too much people lose everything all the time it happens all the time and not just new people experienced people I'm sure you know some experienced people that have lost money I I I definitely do over the years I've met lots of people um who've lost a lot because they just weren't expecting it and they click the you know click the wrong link I agree yeah and like uh just to give a little bit more background for people who are maybe new to

crypto uh what Angel is talking about it's like we are now owning our own Financial system so mean yes if you have uh your crypto wallet it's not like a bank account because bank account it's like owned by the bank and you just get access to it so if someone will take money from your credit card like the bank can reverse the transaction and like just like get you the money back because it's just number on their balance sheet but in crypto if the transaction executed there is no reverse button it's just done but on the other hand nobody can debank you nobody can take the account from you like it's all your responsibility and we would

probably need like an hour or two to go through all the safeties yeah that's another podcast how to how to do that but like yeah stay safe there are great coinbase learn or metamask learn they have great boring security and then there's lots of different um there's all kinds of extensions that you can add to like wallet guard was a good one it just got acquired by metamask we got pocket Universe I mean there's so many different Harpy there's so many different security um companies out there too you can and that you can install them and then it'll tell you before you're going to sign a malicious message but the new people that get scammed just don't know that like how do

get that information out to people like look there's scammers everywhere like how do we get that you know I saw yesterday or the day before there's like a pudgy Penguins on Soul now there's a new collection called pudgy Penguins on salana it's not pudgy Penguins it is not the pudgy Penguins project on East okay however pudgy Penguins just launched a token a funable token and that's on salon so if you're on the outside and you're like oh how would you know that the penu token is on salana and the pudy Penguin nft is on eth and now there's this fake pudy penguin on salana but that's not the real one but how would you ever know

that so I'm just saying before you get involved you need to be curious because you need to get yourself educated you need to turn this into like a comic book collection like there's some people that love baseball some people that love comic books you know whatever your fandom is right like you've got to make crypto your fandom you've got to know every single detail of it and you will but you'll still we all still make mistakes but that's how you do it that's how it's only by being in the space you're going to learn things that are scams and not scams and py finger on soul that doesn't feel like a scam right but it is because they're not the real pudgy Penguins yeah it's a you know it's a wild west but it's it's the new frontier

it's the new opportunity for everyone want to you know earn and succeed on the internet those are the coordination tools and if you are curious you should join us or and join us because we have fun here and there is Big opportunities downsides definitely you know and people would try you know take your money it's on the Facebook in yeah so you need anywhere however like you have more opportunities here in crypto then you have on the streets these days because everything is moving online and because we are uh close to end of this podcast I know oh there's so much to

talk about I mean you were talking about you own your own money like that's its own podcast to talk about what that is and why it's important and why it's just revolutionary that we're gonna we get to have that so there's so much to talk about but okay I understand we're close to the end I still give you a chance to like is there anything you would like to still like uh kind of talk about a little bit which I might not have asked about yeah I think so like I alluded to the fact that we're looking at incorporating AI into communities and so if if I can I'd like to talk a little bit about that um we just participated or was a sponsor for a the very first um autonomous AI autonomous hackathon and

the judging was all done by an AI agent and so um us cablin we built a tool um to manage a lot it was like a combination of the humans and the AI agents um controlling the um hackathon and so we built a coordination tool really for all the AI agents to work together with the humans to create this conference and so um that was really really cool it was like a real opportunity to kind of explore that idea of like how do we work together with AI agents to do something a discrete task and this was a hackathon but in the future we think about how Dows can be positively affected by AI agents so

that's kind of where our mindset is but what we have right now on GitHub for the developers in the group um we have the AI agent starter kit so that's in GitHub right now you can deploy it and what you do is you bring your own telegram token or you bring your own Discord token it's open source and then you can create an AI agent for your community so you can create your AI agent for your telegram group or your Discord Community or we're also doing it for X too that's coming very soon and so then what your AI agent to AI agent does is up to you but we make it very easy for non-developers even to be able to bring AI into their group and into their community so I'm excited about what that's going to be

like some of the ways I think it would be best used is to gauge Community sentiment that's important to maybe gauge um kind of direct conversations like be a member and kind of if someone says something be like tell me more about that like there's ways to encourage conversation from people and you don't need to know that the person that's asking it is a AI you don't then when you think of governance it's okay people are we know voter apathy is a problem probably all over the world where it's not mandatory legally right there are plenty of countries that do have mandatory voting but in the US we don't and so we have very poor numbers when it comes to voting but online in

crypto we also get a I mean there's so many Dows there's so many places that people are people are a part of but they don't vote because it's just not interesting for them or it's too much work or it's I I I don't have time to read this whole thing or I don't have time to do this or that like you're asking too much of me so another way AI can can help is summarizing the proposals giving the bullet points of the proposals you don't even have to read The Proposal you can just ask the AI the questions about the proposal and the AI tells you what what the answers are that's one side of it the other side of it is the AI can actually suggest proposals so you can say okay these are the goals of the Dow and after the AI has been collecting information from

your community what are some of the proposals that the AI can talk about or mention or propose Maybe propos and it has its own wallet and bank account um and then people can decide if they want to vote Yes or no one of the things that James is interested Mel founder um is interested in is like a veto only Dow AI Dow which is the AI agent makes proposals and if you don't like it you say no but otherwise you don't have to say anything so unless you say no the AI is going to direct how the Dow is run so there's lots of fun ways we can do this to kind of make it more interesting for um for Dows and try to get more

involvement in Dows so yeah those are some of the things we're thinking about but anyway the AI agent starter kit right now doesn't Define any of that um you can Define it however you want but it's an easy way to get an AI agent in your community and that's pretty exciting yeah like the AI within D is definitely you know the another way to do it make it better and I just spoke to uh zerx Joshua uh yesterday and he has a very similar view as James on that like you know AI should be running things but the community needs to have the V power he basically said like that the Dow tooling it's the thing which is like pre preventing the sket uh type of uh future because we will still

have the veto power people we will still can say no don't do it but the AI will be just running everything else so we don't need to bother yes but all yeah absolutely but ALS Al when you think about it the coordination challenges of kind of understanding a community sentiment it's extremely difficult we're not all online at the same time right so it's like we miss a lot of stuff there's language barriers AI has no language barriers AI is working 247 gathering information 247 I mean it's really that's a that's a collection like the AI is really a mirror of the community itself and so it's not like oh there's I deciding things it's like no this is a

tool this is somebody that's kind of working for the good of whatever the group wants if the group wants good things then yes if the group doesn't want good things that's another opportunity I guess as well but that's what they're doing so it's not like humans are not part of the mix they they're even more a part of the mix than they are right now because if you think about it in communities um a lot of people don't for whatever reason they don't have the influence or they are not able to voice themselves but with a I right with a Community member that's there all the time collecting information all the time it's even more of a meritocracy I think like more people get voices yeah definitely because some of the voices get just lost and the AI can Surface them back up yes and it's not anymore the loudest voice

is the one who is deciding because now we have the same voice everyone kind of thing so I I'm totally with you uh on that like I think AI can really improve uh the coordination and just like you know if someone it's introvert it doesn't really matter that that much right now because like the information still get out there and through thei but like you know we are still humans we still want to like connect with each other so there will be still the human element they are not missing that we just can actually have more time for it so yes uh which is amazing and like I would say like the next human uh Community uh or a human element of crypto we can have is

in your city because there will be e Denver in end of February so everyone should come there because that's one of the largest crypto community in the United States kind of gathering uh right there yes and for Europeans there's nft Paris before that so check out nft Paris nft yeah nft Paris is in Paris um and it's in February as well like the beginning of February it's kind of a back toback thing and then come to East Denver it's overwhelming but but also fantastic um anyone that's at any Booth will talk to you it's really a wonderful time to gather information for the Curious really if you want to think about who's curious come to a confra come to East Denver honestly come to e

Denver and talk to the people at the booths working at the booths like it almost gives me chills thinking about how wonderful that part is like I know when we had a booth we had a booth in 2023 for collab land and people so many people came up and didn't really know anything and I got to be their first connection or at that event maybe one of a handful of connections of people that were telling them about what this is what crypto is and that was um really really special so if you want to it's worth it Denver in February I will say it's not Miami and Denver so it's you know be prepared it's not like a vacation the weather is is not great um but it's sunny and you're there for

then that's a really great place to go and I I had one final thought um tar and what you had said about humans always want to be together and when people ask me right like why do you believe in crypto like why are you in crypto you know like I'm a lawyer by trade so my a lot of my friends are lawyers traditional industry right and they're just like you're the weird one that's into crypto like everyone else is a regular job they're lawyers in house or lawyers at a firm or teaching professors of law um and look at you you're in crypto and what is the deal and what I say to them and what I mean to say to

you which is when I first started my first job out of college was at an internet company and I was helping people search on the internet and that was a time that was 1996 very very long time ago almost whatever 30 years ago um but at that time people thought the internet was going to go away they thought the internet was all scammers there was no guarantee that no one at that time very few people had conviction that the internet was going to take over the world or that all of us would be doing everything online someday that was a wild concept right but what I learned from that is that people want to be together that's what we do and crypto

allows people to be together anything that's going to make it easier for people to be together is going to win so that's why crypto is going to win I know I know that's why we're friends but that's why we're friends totally we found we find Our similar-minded People exactly and like we are welcoming other members as well absolutely uh so if people want to follow you where they can follow you is it the Twitter the best place to do it yeah I'd say Twitter is a good place to find me my DMs are open so that's always a good place um I do check them every once in a while but also I post my my account is public so you can interact with me there but it's um dhama deoa d m a d r o CA it means lady from

Boulder but in Spanish nice actually I didn't know till now and I will still included uh the link in the show note so people can just click on it and uh follow you and uh for me or us how to Da uh go to how to dow. ex YZ and pre-order the book which is coming in January and that that can be your first guide into cryptos if you're curious get your book and uh we will see you all at in Denver or any other crypto conference and I have to give you the um X account for collab land too which is collab uncore land uncore because there's a lot of

impostures on Twitter so I don't want people to just look up collab land and then join something or follow somebody so it's collabor landore so I know you'll put that in the notes too so that will help people I just don't want anyone to fall for an impostor yeah no definitely stay safe out there but uh be curious uh angel that that that was you know great chat as always uh I really appreciate you and uh thank you for coming on the on the podcast and giving such a great advice to our audience oh thank you so much for having me I I hope you invite me again and we get to talk about some of these other media issues but you're a joy and I can't wait to see you again same here thank you for tuning into how to Da if you are excited about

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