S4 - Ep. 19 Artizen.Fund w Rene Pinnell

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welcome to the green pill. network podcast if you're just joining us we are building a coordination a network Society of thousands of hackers dreamers and doers focused on using crypto to bring positive some digital systems to the world this podcast features the people who are doing it we publish a season of a dozen episodes every couple months this season is lean mean Capital allocation machines in what way is going on chain going to change the way we allocate Capital allocating capital is just the decision about where to spread Capital among a group of causes or a group of things that you purchase with web 3 I think that we're going to be able to take the properties of blockchains that is transparency immutability globalness and permissionless and put them into Capital allocation ecosystems and the result

will be more scalable more precise more democratic Capital allocation that was than was ever possible before web 2 and web 1 gave us massively multiplayer online games are there going to be massively multiplayer online funding games in the future these are the themes of green pill season 4 lean mean Capital all apption machines my guest today is Renee from artisfun Renee is the co-founder of artisfun and they invest in projects at the frontier of art science technology and culture Artisan is currently running its fourth season of capital allocation to artists and it's got $242,000 in match funding available in this episode we talk about how funding

is broken for artists scientists and creators of every kind and how Artisan is handling putting together a cryptoeconomic system to allocate Capital to these people so uh I enjoyed this episode with um with Renee I think that Rene's journey in some ways parallels mine at getcoin and really excited about the work that he's doing I think you're going to enjoy this episode hey Renee how you doing I'm doing good Kevin it's good to see your face yeah likewise so tell us about Artisan what is it what are you trying to accomplish how does it work I think of artisan as a match funding platform for art science technology and culture so I'm I'm a fifth generation artist

everybody in my family going back to my great great-grandfather was a painter a dancer a filmmaker of one kind or another and I grew up with a deep appreciation for the joy and beauty that uh creativity can bring into the world and into your life uh but I also grew up with a deep firsthand you know understanding of how difficult it is to be a creative person particularly financially like almost everybody in my family almost everybody in my community of artists and creators struggled and I thought that like once you got to be like a well-known artist that this would like become easier and you know I went to school for film I was a producer for a bunch of years then I got into funding weird art Tech stuff mostly in the

immersive Universe VR uh AR stuff and I started to work with people like Terence Malik this legendary filmmaker you know Darren aronowski and I realized that it's hard for them too it never gets easier it's always hard to raise money for projects especially when they're Innovative especially when they're on the frontier and so for me I've I've had really a lifelong fascination with this struggle that creative people face and a burning white hot rage in my belly with how broken all the systems are for funding creativity and that's really the motivation behind Artisan is how can we help people do a better job of pooling their capital and then allocating that

that Capital to the most deserving projects and that's my motivation that's the energy behind Artis I love that I mean see Parallels for me in the founding of getcoin we're feeling like funding for open source software developers was broken and in wanting to try to solve that I I'm wondering if we could dive in on the the problem space so how is funding broken for artist scientists and creators of every kind I mean it's broken in a bunch of different ways so one thing is it's very frag fragmented so if you're raising money for a movie that's a very different set of [ __ ] you got to deal with and if you're raising money for a scientific research paper which is a very different like set of [ __ ] that you got to deal with if you're funding something that

looks more like a startup and so one thing is just that there's like these different pools of capital that exist and the Hoops you got to jump through the jar you got to learn the network you got to tap into is very very different from all of these different types of creators and I think that's creates a lot of wasted effort and there's a lot of value that can be Unearthed just by bringing all these different types of creatives together and trying to find methods of funding a weird art project that works for something that looks like a startup that works for something that looks like an open-source software project that works for something that looks like deep Tech I so that's like one one one area that it's very fragmented the other area that's really broken is depending on how you're trying

to raise Capital it's it's very biased you know it's it's generally small groups of people that are making these decisions and even the best intentioned you know small group of people they they just have a lot of blinders on they don't they don't have you know the richness of experience that everyone has from their own unique perspective so that they won't be able to identify certain types of talent they'll see it and it won't pattern match with what they believe a successful project should look like and so a lot of really talented creators especially where when they're on the the Vanguard when they're on the frontier when they're doing something that hasn't been done before it's particularly hard to identify that Talent so yeah bias in these small you know groups of people that make

decisions and that looks very different if you're coming from like Public Funding which you know I've raised a lot of money through Public Funding you know that's a small group of people that you know if you go have drinks with after a Premiere at a festival or something and you become buddies with them like that's how you get into that system if you're you know raising capital for for like a film and you're going through the studio system it's another like you know group of you know handful of people that you gotta you know somehow convince so that's a that's a big thing and then another one is just waste you know like a lot of a lot of the money especially like in the philanthropic world just gets eaten up by administrative bloat like just a tremendous amount of waste

especially like people that are like coming from like the university system you know they'll they'll you know bust their ass to get like a big grant for their you know their research and they'll see the university gobble up like 50% or more so yeah tremendous amount of just administrative bureaucratic waste and those those are the really I think everything is sort of a subset of those and with one other thing which is that it's also super exclusionary in terms of who gets to put money into projects and what ownership people get so I think it's it's really those three things it's like it's it's biased uh it's wasteful and it excludes people from the decision-making process and the ownership process and I think those three things are the three main broken elements in the current funding

landscape especially if you're trying to look very broadly across all the different weird ways that people have to raise money for project yeah well this up Tails really nicely with my hypothesis for this season of green pill which is that we're going to be able to do more scalable precise Democratic Capital allocation on chain than has ever been possible before going on chain and so um yeah wanted to let you react to to that thesis and and and then I've got some questions about Artis from there but uh yeah any reactions to the sort of hypothesis behind the green pill season I'm for it I mean that's what I think about when I go to bed at night that's what I think about when I wake up in the morning is just how do you create

the most efficient and effective vacuum cleaner for Capital that just sucks up as much money as possible and then how do you you know distribute that money in the most impactful way possible you know that processes data you know in the most efficient and effective way possible and uh nurtures projects when they're just these little seedlings that you know a strong Breeze could blow over or you know the little little flame of some new idea you know those things need to be protected and they're hard to identify and uh you know how does it how does it scale from something really small like that all the way to funding massive large projects like it's just such a fascinating and challenging problem yeah

so I think it's the best thing to talk about like Capital formation and capital allocation like that's that's kind of the name of the game well uh I'd love to go from the a priority the the theoretical down into the empirical which is like object level what's happening so I see at artisan.com match funding available so take me into artisan and how it works and the current campaign that you're running we curate and fund projects on a seasonal basis so yeah we're in season four right now we've been experimenting with how to do this kind of funding for for many many years we started as a web

2 product and funded almost a million dollars in projects experimenting web to land and then it was a side project of my last company my last company funded VR and projects that ran basically as an accelerator and we uh uh we could only afford like TimeWise like bandwidth wise to do like 10 20 projects a year we'd you know work intimately with them then we'd host these private events where we'd invite like all the people who were funding weird Tech art stuff like you know the Fang companies the public funders uh the streamers operate very much like a you know what you'd expect from a demo Day At A a tech accelerator but it was for like weird creative projects but we had all these t ented

people in our community that we couldn't we couldn't support we just didn't have the time so we started doing grant programs and uh realized very early on that like running grants you know people really like grants like a sack of cash with very few strings or no strings attached is wonderful it's kind of like the ideal for a creators to just get a sack of money and say go make something cool but the big bottleneck was it takes a tremendous amount of time to review all the applicants and to make decisions so it's like that that first time we did that that grant program to sort of like try to support and nurture and identify new creators that could come into our main accelerator program it was like a month of my time was dedicated just pouring over like you know the two or three hundred applications we got and so

we're like okay well this people like this we I can't do this so let's let's open it up to the community to vote and like sort of like offload the curation process to people in the community and that was like an open-ended year-long and this was back in 2017 so we did that for like a year something that was working pretty well in terms of allowing people to vote figuring out who got to vote how many votes did they get you know running into many brick walls and then it started to work and we had a a grant that went viral Viola Davis who's this amazing Academy award-winning actress she launched a grant with us that was called the black realities grant that was supporting black art artists and and technology and that was the summer of 2020 when black lives matter was going off and uh and it went

viral and um a lot of money started to flow into it and then rpe canceled us this was all in web too they uh we got like an automated response being like look we looked at your business this is weird this is like you know it's kind of like crowdfunding it's not quite this is not for us and they just unilaterally like nuked our account and that was when we're like okay let's rebuild all of this in web 3 Let's rebuild this in a way that like you know is as uncan as possible and so this is a long-winded way of saying where we are in season 4 so we went back to the drawing board we rebuilt everything from scratch launched it in 20 well about about 14 months ago and so we did season one the very beginning of 2023 creators

raised about $50,000 in season three or season one rather then we did season two a couple months after that and creators raised over $100,000 then we did season three end of last year beginning of this year concluded in like January creators raised over $500,000 in season 3 and now we're in season 4 and right now you know we've got about you know a quarter of a million dollars in match funding by the end of season 4 I expect that creators will have raised over a million dollars because we've been more than doubling every season and that's about the Cadence and so where we are in season 4 right now and I'm not sure when this is going to air but every season has two different phases so SE first part of the season is people submit projects and

then everybody votes and we're experimenting with where the cut off is in terms of how competitive we want Seasons to be but in season four we're picking the top 30% of projects so uh you know if you're on the website right now you'll see you know it's about the top 40 or 50 projects or so have been voted up high highly enough if nothing else changes those will be the projects that go on to compete for that match funding but it'll probably change before the end of the uh the curation phase the next phase is the competition phase so once we have this group of projects that the community has said these are these are high quality these These are projects that I'm excited about these are creators I believe in on on topics that are important to me and my community once we have that official

selection of projects then those projects compete for that pooled Capital that we have and the way that they compete is they go to their fans and they run something that feels very much like a crowdfunding campaign with a couple of key differences one is instead of like t-shirts or hats as rewards uh what they're selling to their fans are what we call artifacts we have we've pioneered our own format of nft that we call artifacts and it um has a number of guidelines but the result is that each project has you know an image a gif a short video um that should feel like a standalone work of art and a work of art that is tended to capture the big idea behind the project so something that if you're a genuine fan of the of that

project and of that creator that you'd want to hold for emotional reasons because it reminds you of the project it makes you feel closer to the Creator and the the thesis for why someone want to own these Beyond just sort of the obvious collectible nature is that most of the projects we fund Kevin are not going to change the world but the bet is that hopefully the top like 1% maybe for Lucky the top 5% of projects we fund will actually have a really big impact in the world of art science technology culture and if that project does have a big impact we we imagine we hope we're betting that the artifact associated with that project will appreciate in value so it's an interesting new way for fans to have a new form of ownership in the work that

they're helping to fund because it gives them some economic stake some potential economic stake if the project hits it big and we've seen this phenomenon play out in Reverse in history where projects that end up having a big impact in the world if there's some you know physical object that becomes a collectible from that you know Da Vinci's manuscript is probably the best example you know that obviously appreciated in value because Da Vinci had a huge impact on the world and so we're sort of flipping that on its head and saying well let's make everybody create these artifacts standardize what an artifact is try to create a market for them so that we can allow people to have that skin in the game they're currently excluded from um anyways so they they go after to their fans they

sell as many of these artifacts as they can they're open Edition so at the end of the season however many they sold becomes the fixed supply of that particular artifact they keep the money from those sales but based on those sales they get more or less of that pooled capital and if they sell the most artifacts we make it into a bit of a game they get a big cash prize as well so there's motivation to work your way up the leaderboard in the competition phase and sell more artifacts than anyone else because you get 10% of the pulled capital in match funding goes to whatever project um has been the most successful with their their artifact sales and that's the game that's how it works is there name for this mechanism are you kind of like rolling your own it feels like you're you're inventing one

here yeah yeah um please give me a name because we don't have a good one like we do a lot of different experiments like every season basically in between Seasons we look at like what worked what didn't what [ __ ] up how can we improve and then change the rules of the game and between season one and season 4 that we're in now like the amount of change has been decreasing and the performance and success of the the raises has been improving so I think a name will hopefully emerge for this but maybe we'll just call it Artisan funding uh because it is very I think about it like a board game like I think about like I'm like you know we're creating like a new game that we're asking people to play and you know the rules of that game are you know you want to make them simple

but you also want to make them balance the different stakeholders as someone I mean you're steeped in this with with gitcoin you know all about this but that's I don't know if you think about it like like you're designing a new game that you're asking people to play but that's how I always think about it is how do I make this game something that's fair how do I make this game something that's intuitive maybe you know the the first time you play it you see other participants and you sort of like oh okay I get the the rules just by doing it so hopefully it's intuitive in that sense and then it should be fun like that's that's the thing that I think about like like when you think about fundraising and raising money it's it's it's such a [ __ ] drag and if you can

make it fun and if you can make it you know intuitive if you can make it easy I think you're it's going to be a better experience for everybody yeah it's interesting I feel like like some kids catch bugs and then they like try to classify them and figure out what they are and for me I'm like a funding mechanism nerd I want to like capture this and figure out how it relates to quadratic voting and quadratic funding and retr pgf and all the other mechanisms I want to talk to you about that because we I I love quadratic voting and you've been terms of like a game mechanism vitalic and you with you know quadratic voting and quadratic funding I mean that was on my radar as a voting mechanism you know quadratic voting was back in 2017 or 2018 when we first started you know digging into this

problem of how do you allow you know a group of people sometimes they're adversarial with each other competitive like they're two creators that are vying for the same amount of money like how do you how do you have them play nice how do you have something that measurement that I use is like can the system can people walk away from it even if they didn't win the money that they wanted can they walk away feeling like that was fair and I have confidence in the system like that's I think like a really important issue anyways quadratic funding I think is so cool but for us we actually coded up a whole system to use that but it's the siil thing man from a a user experience perspective we shied away from that just because it was like like mathematically maybe it is the most optimal way to to do voting and to

allocate funds but we've made a different design decision how can we get a system that gets at a similar aim which is something that feels fair but how can we do it in our case without having to deal with you know whatever flavor of kyc and having confidence that each individual contributor is is a person as opposed to one person with many many accounts um and so we've done that in a number of different ways like for example the pot of money that we have the way that we distribute it to each project is we take the amount of money that that project has raised from their fans and we're not making a distinction of whether or not it's one person putting in a ton of money or you know many individuals putting in a lot of money but what we do is we take the the log of that total and

so the nice thing about that is that you know if you raise a little bit of money whether it's from one person or many people uh proportionally you'll get a much bigger chunk of that match funding because you know when you're taking the log of the the total funding from all the projects in that season each of them has a nice S curve you know where when they raise $100 maybe they get $1,000 in match funding and as they raise more money they'll always get more of that match funding pool but each additional dollar that they raise gets a smaller and smaller and smaller amount of additional match funding and so the upshot of that is if you're like for us we're just trying to make something that people feel like is fair and walk away way going okay I get it you know I

didn't raise as much of that other project but I still got a good outcome and so if you're a Creator who doesn't have much access to Capital if you're an emerging Talent if you're in some farflung place in the world where you don't have access to a lot of resources but somebody takes a bet on you or your community is able to chip in a little bit then you get a really good result like you'll get like 10 20 30 times of what somebody contributes if they're just putting in 50 bucks 100 bucks and so they can walk away at the end of the season being like okay that was worth the effort that I put in I got more out of it than I put in and if you're somebody who does have access to a lot of capital this is an effective system

for you too you'll always raise more money from the match funding pool the more money that you raise from your fans but it becomes smaller and smaller and smaller so at the top like when you're sort of in this this gray Zone in the Middle where you've raised you know tens of thousands or you know hundreds of thousands it doesn't really make sense for you to be competing for that match funding because you know another $10,000 might get you another like couple of bucks in match funding but that's why we have that other game that people start to play which is okay now they're vying for that number one slot where you get that 10% of the pooled match funding as a prize at the end so there's sort of like different games that people are able to play based on the scale of their

project the ambition of their project and how much you know either Capital they have access to through their Network or if they're lucky if you know how much of a a cord their project strikes with the broader Community you know does it go viral does it pull in people from outside of their personal Network sort of interesting to see how you've rolled your own mechanism here and you know I I don't think there's actually one optimal public goods funding mechanism I think it's all tradeoffs I think the future of these things is going to be provide people out of the box a reasonable starting place and then they can iterate towards the local Maxima for their design space and you know maybe that becomes a new starter kit for for someone else in in the future but uh you know curious to see if if this mechanism Artisan funding

ends up becoming a thing that that other people will use as a starting point in the future yeah the the hope is that so right now the way like where does the the money come from right like that's I want I want to hear from you actually in terms of how you guys are are tackling tackling that problem when you look at that number like that you know quarter of a million dollars in match funding that we have so far in season 4 where's that money coming from so for us what we allow people to do is that's a sum that's a total of a bunch of individual match funds that we have that are launched so we'll partner with with companies with Dows with you know nonprofit organizations to launch individual match funds on topics that are relevant to that specific company to

that specific organization so for instance my buddy Chris castig I don't know if you know him but he runs company called console they're trying to replace Discord with like a web three native version of Discord a really love product quite a bit and so he's launched a match fund on Artis it's open to any type of Creator but in order to qualify you have to launch a community on console and you have to get a certain number of people to join and then and then you qualify that match fund and you can have access to that you can tap into that that pool of capital in their case it's it's pretty small I think it's like $10,000 okay how do we get this pooled match funding for us it's trying to solve a problem that most organizations most communities certainly all companies have which is how do you get growth and we

think we think that launching a match fund whether yeah whether it's on I don't know exactly how it works on gitcoin but I think you guys do something similar but for us it's uh yeah it's this this concept of very lightweight match fund on a very specific topic that creators can qualify for and so from the creators perspective it's like another game that we're asking people to play which is like if you get selected for a season of artisan um it behooves you like you'll do better the more of these match funds you qualify for like we're doing another one with filecoin which is for cultural preservation so if you have any aspect of your project where you're going to be archiving something of cultural significance and you're using filecoin then you can tap into a $100,000 match fund so if you qualify for that one and

you qualify for the conso one and you qualify for a number of other ones whenever you raise a dollar of funding from your fans you're tapping you know two three four different pools of capital that go to your project so part of what determines well how much match funding do you get you know one variable is well how much have you raised from your fans and then the other variable is how many match funds did you qualify for and how much pulled Capital do each of those match funds have yeah it's sort of interesting to to hear how it works on the Artisan side of things I you know obviously have my own experiences with gitcoin which started off I I think with ethereum helping the ethereum Community Fund what matters to it and then eventually branched out into allowing any community that had its own pool of

capital to fund what matters to it yeah the people who are who are looking to allocate Capital to their communities are looking to grow their ecosystems and you know maybe it's public goods scoped to that ecosystem but we've just found that it's just more scalable precise and Democratic to do a quadratic funding campaign or a retrop pgf campaign then to run your own centralized grants committee and yeah I think it becomes quite interesting at scale when when there's many of these programs running and and and people can hops gotch from getting funds from a couple different places so yeah that's how it works on the getcoin side of things since you sort of asked me that question yeah that's how I thought I've I've again we all owe you a huge debt of gratitude and

I'm so impressed with how you've memd you know match funding and quadratic funding in particular into existence it feels like you know I've been yeah following gitcoin since I guess the earliest days I mean it was 2017 2018 was like sort of when I first started obsessing about all of this and I think that was roughly when you were doing it too yeah similar yeah similar time frames yeah anyways that very grateful for for how how far you've pushed it and how you you're living rentree in a lot of people's brains including mine well thanks for saying that I just want to say that I'm standing on the shoulders of giants vitalic and Glenn and Zoe or brains behind quadratic funding and obviously the legacy of ethereum and open source software and all of the

people who have worked on Democracy over the years all standing on the shoulders of giants of those people so I think if we can all play one small part in pushing this movement forward then then that's what I'm I'm looking to do but I'm curious to dive in actually a little bit on your story with stripe and being deplatformed and I guess I'll just share that for my first three years of founding getcoin people are like why don't you just use US Dollars and and and I'm curious if you've had any experiences like that and and what what caused you to go all in on crypto because I still feel find that I'm getting that question in 2024 like even my dad will be like hey it seems like you're doing a lot of good but like can you get rid of this whole crypto thing

it seems shady to me uh yeah well for me I mean I've been my Evolution into crypto has been odd one I grew up with Ross orri who is creator of this Silk Road and my best friend living together the time of his arrest the kindest most thoughtful high integrity person I know a travesty that he's serving 240 years in prison but he first turned me on to to crypto back in 2009 2010 I guess when he was building the Silk Road he was incredibly ethical and that he never told anybody that he was doing it because he knew he' put them at criminal liability so it's like in retrospect I see all these conversations I had being like Oh okay I know why we had that conversation now he

was the one who turned me on to to crypto and my own like Evolution into sort of the ethical underpinnings of of why crypto is important it didn't happen all at once and and honestly like getting deplatformed by stripe was kind of like the final nail in the coffin being like Oh okay I really really really understand at a deep felt level how important it is to build build platforms build software build products that are very very difficult for centralized authorities to take down because often you know those centralized authorities are you know you know have their own you know their own set of needs that can be in direct conflict

with yours and your communities and if you if you're building something that you really believe in I think the foundation needs to be on something that that is solid like building your like it's kind of crazy that people build their companies on stripe that's the most sensitive [ __ ] thing in your whole company it's your lifeblood is is payments and and they can without any cause just be like we're g to cancel you and you won't you didn't even get to talk to a human about it when it happen didn't even get and one of our investors was like a fairly senior person at stripe and he was like I it's a different I'm not I can't touch it sorry the other thing I'll say this is my yes and to what you're saying but I found that one of the really powerful things about crypto

is the ability to invent your own money and I've actually recently learned that Community currencies have a deep historical underpinning these these aren't just like you know something new but uh the the opportunity for these ecosystems to allocate capital in their own tokens which they probably have a lot of and they're looking for ways to distribute to give out more ownership is also a killer app that we've found and I don't know if you've done any matching pools in in like native tokens for these communities but that's something that we're starting to explore yeah I'd say we're exploring it like filecoin you know they're doing a match fund like I mentioned earlier for cultural preservation shout out to anybody that cares about archiving you know cultural memories we're looking at doing things with like refugees where they can

document their stories that are so ephemeral but anyways they were interested in doing theirs in Phil their native token which we were we were open to but but for logistical reasons on their end actually they were just like it's easier for us to just pay you and I think they just paid us in dollars so it's like that you know there's still a lot of lock in another one is um cabin um I'm not familiar or sure if you're familiar with them but I I love uh what John Hillis and the whole cabin community built in terms of network cities and it's a you know they've got a number of properties one in Texas and we're doing a match fund with them for regenerative art where it's going to be funding people to build physical installations on their property think sort of like the kind of stuff that you

see at Burning Man on the pla anyways they have a native token cabin we're going to integrate that into our voting system so if you have either Artisans tokens which give you voting power or if you have cabins tokens that'll give you voting power so we're experimenting but it's um It's Tricky you know because you got to figure out how how to wait that you know and what um you know if it's an really obscure token that you're doing payouts like it's you know especially if it's on a different chain you it gets complicated yeah for sure well um we're getting towards the bottom of the episode so I'm going to move into my final questions the first one that I have for you is if Artis is maximally successful what does the world look like in 10 years so take me to 2034 in which

Artisan has funded all the world world's creators what does that look like oh oh such a better world Kevin such a better world I mean there's about two trillion dollars annually that gets spent on what what I think of is human creativity so again I think of it as a waterfall you know human creativity is the big umbrella and then inside of that you've got art science technology and culture and then a million different disciplines in the spaces between those yeah I mean it's it's paper napkin kind of estimate but yeah it's a couple trillion dollars get spent every year and I think two things ought to happen I think you know as a percentage of GDP that's still like embarrassingly small and what I think is probably the most important thing for us to be spending money on which is you know projects at the frontier of of

these incredibly important disciplines you know Innovation like that's the stuff that we ought to be spending a lot of money on so I think in the world where Artisan is maximally successful two things will happen first Total Capital deployed towards human creativity I think should be at least one order of magnitude greater maybe two and and and then I think the second thing is that like how that capital is deployed should be done in a much more intelligent way where you are nurturing projects when they're little seedlings when when they need to be protected when they when you need to make a million different experiments that that that the system works really well for supporting those emerging talents and those crazy Frontier ideas but scales all the way up

to funding the largest most ambitious projects that you know people can dream of whether that's you know a $200 million feature film uh you know a new video game franchise you know a new partical accelerator like I think the funding model ought to that you know that hopefully Artisan is a part of building and with people like you scales elegantly between the smallest tiniest little baby projects at the frontier from new Talent all the way up to massive projects from established trusted uh Talent is there anything I didn't ask that you want to say yeah I mean if one of the things that I I really hope that I get across to anybody who's listening to this it's really important to me personally is that Artisan is not just for artists like I

think a lot of people who bump up against us who aren't in the Arts maybe in the same way that they bump against gitcoin and if they are in the Arts they're like oh this is just for open source people we're really trying to make artist in a home for for artists for sure but also for coders for for deep Tech scientists for people doing you know Community cultural development stuff really the the secret sauce to our community is that it's super you know multidisciplinary interdisciplinary and the most interesting projects that we funded have always come from teams who cross those disciplines you know like a a coder who is also a painter you know a musician who you know is also like a master

Carpenter or whatever it's like like the most interesting projects come from those weird different teams that have many different talents if you're listening to this and you're like Artisan isn't for me it is for you it as long as you're doing something creative if you're making something if you're building something if you're producing something new that hasn't existed before Artisan is for you please submit projects we're always looking for more amazing weird wonderful surprising projects that come from left field so yeah particularly if you feel like an outsider like please submit projects to Artisan we we're trying to make this a home for you beautiful well uh I'll just call out for the listener that you can go to Artis in. fund a r t i zen. fun in order to check out the uh current

matching campaign and to get involved in the movement and while you're here please open up a tab and go to Artis and.fun and and check out the work and uh Renee thanks so much for coming on the podcast really enjoyed the conversation yeah me too Kevin thank you for having me and I look forward to seeing you IRL at someplace around the world in the not too distant future yeah and I just say that it's so special to be building this movement together I think that what getcoin and artison are doing is totally complimentary and looking forward to exploring that together in the future yeah likewise Kevin all right man we be well and again thank you for having me on and for being such a Trailblazer and giving us some intellectual cover to explore these these weird New Frontiers of of funding projects it is a networked movement and

we all compound the momentum when we do it together thanks again coordination baby thank you for listening to the green pill. network podcast we just heard from Renee panel and I'm excited about what artist is doing because I want to see the Arts funded and I want to see it done on chain in a more scalable and Democratic and precise way I respect what Rene is doing with rolling his own Capital allocation mechanism and I hope to bring it into the getcoin universe at some point in the future thanks again for listening again we are building a coordination a network Society of thousands of hackers dreamers and doers who are using crypto to bring positive sum digital systems to the world like Renee like Artis and like the people who are in The Artisan Community if you value our work you can collect

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