ETH ETF news, Holesky forks to Dencun - The Daily Gwei Refuel #727 - Ethereum Updates

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hello everyone welcome to another episode of the delway refuel warry cup latest news in etherum ecosystem I'm your host Anthony C tday the 8th of February 2024 all right everyone let's get into it so I'm back today with a lot of bullish stuff to get through actually after missing yesterday's episode had a lot of fun at the Meetup that I went to last night ended up speaking about a lot of things got to do with farcaster and uh reaking and just like ethereum generally uh for about I don't know maybe at least it was at least 30 minutes or something like that on stage and then obviously after during the networking spoke to a lot of people uh and it was just great I mean I always love going to these local meetups because it's just easy for me to go to uh great to meet local people and chat

to them about all things you know ethereum and crypto and and Beyond but anyway moving on from that to today's news so the first bit of news is more of just like a PSA that I wanted to remind people of so the SEC again delayed a couple of ETFs today spot e ETFs today the Invesco and Galaxy ETFs and then James ccii says here this is 100% expected and more delays will continue to happen in the coming months the only date that matters for spot e ETFs at this time is May 23rd which is of course Van X final deadline date and you can see all the dates here I'll link this tweet in the YouTube description below um but you know when I kind of mean what I mean by like PSA here is that I've said this many times before the only date that matters right now is May 23rd

literally nothing else matters like anything any of these delays that you see are totally normal and I think the market knows that because of what happened with the BTC spot ETFs like they were delayed delayed delayed and then obviously they got approved on Jan 10th which was that final deadline that we spoke about for months here now that's not the most interesting thing when it comes to the ETFs today the most interesting thing was something shared shared by Eric Banus here who said that ar21 shares filed and mended S1 for their spot e ETFs looks like they updated to be only cash creations and some other things that bring it in line with the recently approved spot BTC ETF perspectus and now remember I did tell you guys that it's going to be much easier for these issuers to get these spot e ETF filings done than the BTC one

because they're really just going to copy paste what they've got in their BTC one it should be logically the same thing here but also as part of this I don't know if Eric kind of um Eric highlighted this but someone else highlighted it that uh I guess um Arc put in there that they wanted to discuss with the SEC about having a staked eth ETF as well now I'm going to kind of say this now because I think this is going to be like the the outcome here a stake ETF is not going to get approved alongside these things all of these ETFs are going to be in my opinion normal spot e ETFs there as far as I know does not exist any kind of Regulation or any kind of I guess um Clarity around a staked e ETF it would be very very hard

to get the SEC to approve that given that they have gone after staking products specifically as being Securities like the staking products themselves so I I highly doubt and I'm I'm I'm very certain on this that there won't be a Stak eth ETF approved alongside the spot e e ETFs there may be a Stak e ETF in the future and I think Bankers did a podcast with with um with someone from Franklin Templeton recently that talks about this if you want to go check out and and get her view on it um but yeah I have full confidence that the only ETFs getting approved this year for eth and maybe even next year are the normal spot eth ETFs that will not be staked that will just be held in you know by a custodian like the BTC uh spot ETFs are but the most interesting thing

about this is the fact that remember leading up to the BTC spot ETS we had a lot of this back and forth between the issuers in the SEC amendments you know uh discuss all that sorts of stuff and I I said recently both on the refill and in the daad way Discord channel that once we start seeing this back and forth with the SEC around the spot eth ETFs that's when the kind of hype really starts and that's when you'll probably see it kind of play out in the price of eth and if we're actually talking numbers here you know if you want to be a someone who looks at the charts and looks at kind of resistance levels for eth which I mean I'm not someone who really does that very regularly um you guys know I'm not a Trader but I like kind of paying attention to what people

are kind of thinking about if if you look at the levels I think 2500 is the last level before at least from what I've seen the Traders are all pretty much like in alignment that e could go to like 4K without any major pullbacks and that's very similar to what we saw with BTC where essentially it broke that 30k Mark and then just went to 50K without any serious pullbacks or at least like long longer term pullbacks if you bring up the chart you can actually see these playing out now what's going to be funny is that this will run up obviously to the ETF and I fully expect the spot e ETFs to be a sell kind of sell the news event again but the thing is is that like if it goes to 4K and then e sells down to what like even 3K

which I think is a pretty steep sell I don't think it will sell down to that but like let's say it does you know it it's still been like a major move for eth because eth did move alongside the BTC spot ETF price action as well so if you bought eth back when um back when uh when uh Black Rock filed for those BTC spot ETFs back in what was it June uh and if I could bring up the eth chart here on my other screen just to give you an idea here if you bought eth then which was uh uh yeah June I'm just bringing up here June une you you were buying ether around $1,600 right so if you count that as like the move to like 4K yeah it's a huge move based on the whole ETF move um which is you know a

very big move there but I'm not one to kind of speculate on the short to medium-term price of eth obviously I'm always about the long-term and obviously I believe in the long-term eth is going to continue to to ACR value but really if you're playing the ETF trade I think that the consensus is that you play it now right you basically buy eth now and then you sell it once the ETF is B you know is approved on on May 23rd the earliest possible date that we could expect an approval here which I mean I don't think is a Bad Bet uh and then there's also a lot of people talking about the layer 2 tokens and stuff as well as being like eth beta where essentially they're saying well you know denon's coming which I'm going to talk about in the SEC by the way uh that's

you know that that's got Erp 4844 part of it that's like a hype trade that people are taking and then obviously they're buying eth as well to get exposure to that as you guys know I'm not a short- to medium term guy I do pay attention to this stuff because it's quite uh you know it's quite interesting for me to just pay attention to this stuff but yeah I mean the future hasn't not been brighter for Ethan a very long time in my opinion in terms of like long-term value acral as well and when it comes to L2 tokens I actually am going to be giving a lot of opinions on this next week so I'm recording a bankless podcast next week all about leer 2os uh and their respective tokens I'm recording this podcast with the same people I recorded with uh um uh in late

last year for the eth bull case podcast which was with Mike iolo and Jordi Alexander there uh and the fun thing is is I'm actually going to be the bear on the L2 tokens and I'm not going to say that I'm bearish on l two tokens or anything like that but I'm going to give like the realistic case for these things uh and how they're actually going to acove Value long term and how the fact of the matter is that most of them are are not going to outperform eth like I just truly believe that over over the longer term but I'll save all of those opinions for next week when I do this podcast with with bankless so definitely keep an eye out for that I'll let you guys know all about that uh but yeah just to recap May 23rd is the only date

to worry about when it comes to the spot e ETFs and I think that from today we're basically starting the hype around it um you know because of the fact that we're seeing some back and forth between the SEC and the issuers uh which is basically you know I mean it's what February now February March April into may you got 3 to four months here we're going to start seeing this ramp up as as we get to to to kind of that period there but yeah exciting times for eth on the horizon here now of course moving on to everything Denon so of course yesterday we had the whole Sky uh test net Fork to denune it did so uh you know very I guess like um normally there was no issues with it there was it did it very smoothly uh and it finalized and

yeah as far as I know there was no issues not even with participation rates uh so I me I think like 5% wasn't updated or something which is basically nothing obviously uh so yeah all well and good to get a main net date now the fun thing is is that the main net date is being set today but I'm recording the refuel about 3 hours before the all call devs call happens so I get to speculate on when the main net date is going to be uh and and and right now I'm going to say the time is 9:55 p.m. my time it is happening at between 1: and 2: a.m. my time when the all C devs call happens the refill will go live before this maybe you'll watch me have give this prediction before that but even if you don't I'm going to give my prediction

anyway I have no inside information on this there is no inside information to be had it literally is just the C devs getting on the public call they discuss it for a bit and they're like okay we feel comfortable about setting the date here so my guess is basically I'm going to give a window I can't give a date here I mean maybe I'll give her a date as well just to see how close I get but my guess is is early March at at this stage and and and the the main reason is because uh it's usually about four weeks after uh the date is announced that you get it going live to give people time to update their nodes but the last two test Nets have gone have forked uh through just very smoothly it's been a very very smooth process there's a lot of

confidence uh blobs are working you know everything's working just fine so I I don't foresee them wanting to extend it out much longer than this I want to get this on to mainnet once that's on there they can 100% shift Focus to Petra which is obviously shaping up to be quite an important up upgrade uh to the network so yeah I'm going to give a window here of early March and in terms of a date I will say if I if I had to say a date uh it could it see this is the thing like I said in in the Discord channel that it could happen as early as like late Feb ear like really early March but I I I was thinking more about it and I'm like I'm more I'm still kind of more on the side of early March like I'm earing on

the on the side of early March but as for an actual date I'm just looking at the calendar here cuz I want to look at the actual day of of the date here I'm going to say I'm going to say the 5th of March Tuesday the 5th of March that's my official prediction uh as I said like I'm recording this at 3 hours before The allore Debs call happens so I don't know what it actually is 5th of March let's see how close I get that's going to be fun there but yeah I mean outside of that guys denune is finally almost here I'm super excited to see blobs go live finally it's been in the works for a very long time uh and and I'm excited to see what the transaction fees are going to look like on the l2s you know what what happens with blobs and in the short

term like people are going to spam it with inscriptions and then that kind of tapers off and then the l2s or the rollup specifically take over and they start using that instead of call data I'm excited to see like how fast we actually increase the size of the blobs and increase the number of blobs on the network and how the network actually handles all of this from a stability perspective I'm just yeah I'm hyped guys I'm always hyped around ethereum upgrades I mean I was even hyped about chappella you know almost a year ago now which is basically just enabling staking withdrawals on the network it wasn't anything like too exciting but I was hyped about it back then because it killed a lot of those bad narratives remember the bad narratives back then where everyone's like you know Chapelle is going to go live and there's going to

be a mass kind of like Mass unstaking event on ethereum when in reality I think it was like 90% of the eat that was unstaked belonged to Krakens retail users who were forced to unstake due to the sa action against Kraken and then we just saw a massive uptick in staking and now with the Advent of reaking obviously with Igan layer and then all these liquid reaking token uh projects I I I I don't see any reason for like the East Stak rate to to to go down any big way from here maybe once the market gets crazy and people want to start taking profits and then there's Arbitrage opportunities with these lsts and LS and the beacon chain you might see that happening but I mean really it's it's it's already at such like a large kind of um a large amount of e St you can see

here the hill Doby said you know 25% of all eth is now staked I expect this to keep going up because obviously we're in the process of transitioning from like eth to like liquid staking eth or liquid staked eth or liquid restak eth as being the asset that people want to hold so basically they've got eth they want to hold eth but then they don't want to just hold vanilla eth they want to get exposure to the you know eth staking yield they want to get exposure to any potential raking yield they want to get exposure to any potential air drops so this is going to keep happening which means that more and more eth is going to get staked what effect that has on the price you know I do think it's going to have a very positive effect because it's demand for eth it's locking up eth but

then these things are derivatives too right is lsts and lrts so it's going to be interesting to see where the volume shift where the liquidity shifts and what this uh percentage of Stak e actually settles on because there are some I guess like uh I changes coming to the eth um staking issuance rate uh which basically means that at a certain point it makes it doesn't really make much sense to to stake eth anymore and that's by Design because you don't want to like overload the network you know at some point it just becomes a diminishing returns as I've discussed with you guys before the real kind of um uh advantage or the real security comes from the note operators on the network and increasing the number of those if we're just kind of putting more eth into coinbase and more eth into to uh you know more other

other centralized staking service providers it doesn't actually do anything for uh for the network Beyond adding kind of some marginal Economic Security what does much more is having independent node operators and that's why I've been a big supporter of all these other uh kind of projects coming online recently and taking market share away from players like coinbase and and even Lio in order to decentralize out that and increase the amount of note operators on the network there but yeah anyway denune coming is coming guys uh coming very very soon uh I think that what when when is it uh as I said March 5th is my official kind of guess right now we're going to see how close I get even if I get it wrong if I'm within like three days give or take I'll be pretty happy with that with that guess there because I think I got it really

wrong last year when I said it would happen in November but I've been pretty consistent about early to mid-march for a long time now so let's see if I'm right about the date uh there anyway moving on from that I'll be back tomorrow obviously to discuss all of that once the uh all CS have their call and everything moving on to an announcement from the ethereum foundation today so Josh Davies uh from the ethereum foundation basically said excited to announce the launch of the ethereum protocol Fellowship study group or the epsg a 10 week series designed to guide the next gen of ethereum core developers you can dive deep into the protocols mechanics uh with all the existing kind of core developers and and researches here so if you are interested in being part of this 10we program that runs from February 19th to April 29th uh you can register

I'll link it in the YouTube description below this is an open and Par permissionless participation uh there's only a part-time commitment and free of charge uh and you are basically going to be across all things core development and research with the main focus being these kind of um uh these kind of topics here which I'll link in the YouTube description below some of them include things like M sharding verle tree so on and so forth uh so so yeah you can definitely go check this out I'll link it in the YouTube description below obviously the pool of people that this is for is going to be relatively small because core development research is a very demanding kind of part of the ethereum stack is definitely something that uh I I I think requires a lot of um uh a lot of commitment and definitely requires a lot

of uh prerequisite knowledge but at the same time I don't think that that should be something that dissuades you I think that if you have uh you know if you feel confident and you feel like you want to get involved with this definitely just apply anyway uh and as I said I'll link this in the YouTube description below and you can go check it out and apply for yourself all right so there was a couple of things that happened uh yesterday around I guess like me boost as a whole and like relays and how they play Within this so poto here put out a thread saying mainnet is having lots of invalid blocks coming from the same Builder the relay should never broadcast blocks without verification we should consider including epbs in Electra please raise support for this to be discussed in all core devs score now EPS obviously has

been on the ethereum road map for quite a while now um and it is basically enshrining MV boost into the ethereum protocol so that it doesn't exist as a side car now nio quote tweeted poto and basically explained further what actually happened so bloxs route was relaying invalid rsync blocks in optimistic mode and blocks routes post submission verification was failing uh they then disabled optimis optimism on that buildup which means that validators can continue as normal for now as Blox rat investigation investigates what went wrong on their end now I'm going to break this down in plain English for you guys Blox rat is a m boost relay they are part of the the you know relays such as ultrasound money and Flash Bots you know they're just one independent relay

block shat is a company they run a relay so what they were doing was they were relaying invalid blocks that were being built by rsync so rsync is a block Builder and if you go to relay scan. info you can actually see all of the sorry relay scan. I'll bring it up here you can actually see this so you can see here ryn Builder dox .xyz they currently build around 10.6% of all ethereum blocks so not a small player in the Builder market and then on the left hand side here you can see Blox rout has two relays the max profit and regulated relay um that 25% and 17% share respectively here so what block trp was doing was relaying invalid blocks that were kind of proposed by the rsync Builder which led to a few invalid blocks being uh kind of put into the

network uh and and basically uh being proposed on on the network here now uh this is done this was able to be done because essentially at least from my understanding what it means to optimistically relay blocks is that you assume that these blocks are going to be valid and then you don't check them on your end and the reason why this is done is because it increases profits to do it this way because you don't have to basically run the verification on the uh on the Block yourself you can just optimistically assume that that that it's fine um but in order to incentivize people not to play games with that there's like a bond that's posted in order to do this and that happens in the background and then those uh kind of uh uh I guess like uh Builders are punished if they if they do this sort of thing

now of course this started discussion around uh as poto sayia getting epbs included sooner rather than later but at the same time Mike Neuer posted a post uh today on eth Research or sorry posted not on E eth Research Forum just on the um the notes section of the ethereum.org uh website here basically saying that there was a bit of misunderstanding here so epbs doesn't actually solve this issue it doesn't change anything about the is this issue the uh end state is basically the same and you can actually read this post and I'll link it in the YouTube description below but the tldr is that epbs does not solve for Builder bugs the slots would have been missed regardless best case epbs the proposer payment is faster and Trust less and worst case epbs bip passibility reverts

us to the same trust model as today so epbs still has a benefit here is that like the proposed payment is faster and trustless but at the same time it was not it's not going to solve Builder bugs generally right which is which is logical because Builders are still existing outside of the protocol in an epbs World we're basically just enshrining the relayer part of uh of the M boost kind of um of the Meb Boost network here as from my understanding but you can go give this a read it's a it's not long of a post I'll link it in the YouTube description below and I believe prot also has a tweet reply to this as well there's a bit of debate happening here between these these core developers and researchers so you can go check that out uh but that hopefully explains to you guys what happened here

I mean it was a bit muted I think because it happened uh when did it happen it happened like uh yesterday but like is such a complex in the weeds thing not many people were paying attention to it I think originally some people were saying that oh oh is there a bug in like gu that we've just finalized on and I think for like a Split Second some people had like many heart attacks right cuz that's the thing that we've been talking about recently about if there was like a a bug in gu that we finalized on then we're in for a world of hurt but it was nothing that nefarious uh it was nothing that bad it was just got to do with these um this build out as part of the uh the M Boost network so yeah you can go check out all

of that I'll link it in the YouTube description below for you to do so all right so Mike Nea also has another post here unrelated to epbs but this post is all about inclusion lists so inclusion lists are getting more and more attention recently it is something that Mike has been spearheading for quite a while now and you guys know that inclusion lists is one of the solutions to censorship on the ethereum network at least one of the things that allows us to increase the censorship resistance guarantees of the ethereum layer 1 Network so the tldr of this document is that it presents a minimal view of what a potential spec for EIP 7547 which is the inclusion list EIP uh could look like we outline changes to the execution specs consensus specs and execution apis to clarify how the pieces fit together these changes are in draft mode and the

goal of this document is to relay all the information about these changes now of course this is something that's really geared towards core developers and researchers and maybe people that want to keep up to date with all of that in the weeds it is definitely not something that I would recommend for the Layman to read I mean I'm not going to say that I understand the whole thing reading it through here but you can actually look at uh this diagram which does a pretty good job of explaining what block production looks like in an inclusion list worlds if you already know what it looks like uh in the current world then this will just be something that you can pick up on pretty quickly but there's a nice little diagram for you there that I'll link in the YouTube description below but Mike has been on fire lately actually Mike

nudi he has beheaded two of the mo most kind of important eips uh in recent memory which is inclusion lists and the max effective balance increase he's also across uh everything got to do with uh PBS and meev boost and and sensorship resistance on the network he's just the machine and he honestly came out of nowhere I mean he hasn't been around for that long as far as I know in the ethereum research and development um development kind of circle I think maybe a year or two at this stage so and and the reason why I bring this up is because it just goes to show that if you have the drive if you have the the you know the the the willingness to kind of like uh be to to learn the the things about the ethereum core protocol if you have the the willingness to kind of put

this work out there and to basically um dive into the weeds of all this stuff then you can very quickly make a name for yourself and make a very prominent name for yourself which is exactly what Mike has done here among other people you know there's plenty of other people that have done this uh another one that comes to mind is domothy the that you know if you've been in the daily way Discord channel for a while you know that domothy basically was very active in there early on and then went on to be a COR researcher that's now across things like me burn uh and a bunch of other things he's done podcasts with bankless before he's also you know really really great uh recent I guess ethereum researcher developer the last couple years but more and more of these people are going to pop up guys like it

as I've said before ethereum is the ultimate nerd snipe there are so many hard problems within ethereum that need to be solved and these people just want to work on and solve hard problems they want to be part of the solution and they want to to have their names I guess etched in the ethereum history books and I think that's obviously one of the things that drives a lot of us that are very involved within ethereum we want to definitely be part of history and definitely uh you know be across all of these challenges and try to uh do our kind of best to to help them along but anyway you can go give this document from Mike a reed I'll link it in the YouTube description below for you to do so all right Jasper is back with a pretty big blog post SL tweet thread

today all about how Rocka poool and Igan leg are going to create a kind of synergistic relationship uh going forward so he calls this Hybrid Theory which I think is a reference to one of Lincoln Park's albums uh and he he says rocker pool's middleway between native liquid reaking and pure staking now I'll let you guys read the blog post for yourself it's pretty lengthy and there's also an accompanying tweet thread which I'll link in the YouTube description below but essentially the tldr of this is that Rocka poool ex uh in this in this design Rocka pool will be able to basically offer the safest way to to to restake your eth because in a worst case scenario where where I think uh Jasper actually highlights this in his tweet through where he goes in in the worst

case scenario where everyone's getting slashed everywhere I L abss are getting slashed you know there's a bug or something and ethereum validator are getting slashed if you're in Rocka poool if you're holding AR and if you're a note operator you are basically safest out of all of the other people holding different lrts and lsts and and node operators in the ecosystem and he explains why in his blog post and tweet thread I'm not going to try and summarize it because it's not going to do it justice it was a really great read uh I read both the Tweet thread and the blog post uh and just really knows his stuff when it comes to comes to discussing Rocka poool obviously he's I mean I would call him a Rocka poool Maxi definitely and definitely one of the most active people in the rockol community and I'm sure he's probably

going to talk about this or at least it's going to be covered on wack whack attacks show uh the the the the Rocka rocker fuel show that he does and then there's the weekly orbit show that wack whack does uh as well that you can go check out it's on it's on their YouTube channel the rocket rocket fuel YouTube channel U which you can just search up I've talked about it a bunch of times on the rear before I'm sure they'll dive deeper into this but if you want to read it for yourself I'll link it in the YouTube description below uh and I think rockol is going to have a Renaissance this year they've got their new designs kind of being worked on right now and I think I discussed them last week about these really exciting New Designs about allowing people to become note operators

without having to stake RPL I think the RPL tokenomics are going through a complete rewrite which is definitely very bullish I think for the project and definitely be very exciting for the project but this stuff will take time to build so I think this year is going to be a really great year of of of just building for Rocka pool and and getting these upgrades out there and then flowing into next year it's really going to supercharge the rocket pool Network and I mean Rocka pool still has what a pretty large market share I think 2 point whatever it is 2.9% still yeah around 2.9% and Rocka pool as an ecosystem has by far the most independent node operators by far like thousands of independent node operators uh here uh so when you kind of look at it from that perspective and uh you look

at it compared to others out there they're still far in away the most decentralized liquid staking protocol on ethereum uh and I think that with these upgrades that they got coming to their to The Rocker pool Network as well as uh you know the synergies that they can create with Igan layer Rocka pool stands to uh to grow really well over the next couple of years all right moving on just wanted to quickly highlight a new guide from Remy Roy here who is a frequent uh kind of participant in the eeger community so he a guide on how to migrate to a larger disc for an ethereum validator so if you are a node operator if you run ethereum validators and full nodes locally on your own Hardware this guide is for you because it basically tells you how to migrate from maybe you have a 2 tbte SSD

right now maybe you want to upgrade that to a 4 terab SSD and you don't want to have to go through the ceson process of basically you know resyncing everything and copying everything over and and basically um going through the whole process again uh you won't have to to do that or at least like uh if you do have to do that depending on the the client that you're using you can do it in a much easier way by following this guide and this is a step-by-step guide it's very detailed I had a skim over it I mean I haven't had to do this yet I kind of future prooof myself all of my machines except one have a 4 tby or more or larger Drive in them and I think that in saying that 2 terby Drive is still fine even with blobs because blobs are

pruned after 18 days or whatever the the days I think it's 18 days I I keep saying I can't remember the exact um number but I'm pretty sure it's 18 days and they're pruned which means that I think that it will only add an extra like what is it 20 or 30 gig uh in during that period and then it gets pruned or basically 20 30 gig net uh for for for for the whole chain there so you you should still be fine on a 2 tby drive but maybe you you definitely want to kind of like increase up to 4 tbytes just to continue future proing yourself especially because uh a 4 tab SSD is definitely cheaper than it historically has been and it just keeps getting cheaper over time so yeah this guide is for you if if this applies to you so

I'll go I'll link this in the YouTube description below and you can go check this out for yourself all right last up here we just have an update from fluent uh just a reminder here fluent is a project building a zkm L2 on ethereum and I an adviser to fluent just wanted to disclose that there but today they launched two key development developments expanding the functionality of fluence private test net they now have 100% evm compatibility and an improved rust SDK and they say here this brings us one step closer to unified smart contracts written in different programming languages and they have a bit of a a thread here that you can go check out for yourself so uh I think that if you are someone who obviously is interested in developing smart contracts in something like rust you should

definitely check out fluent and check out their their SDK here and if you're interested in in being part of obviously a a emerging ecosystem that is non uh kind of um non solidity I guess and like non evm because as I said it's like ZK WM with evm support so it's not like just strictly evm it's very similar to what I guess like arbitrum is doing with arbitrum orbit right uh you should definitely go uh check this out but right now it's really just for developers I think that you can uh uh join their early Builders program here which I'll link in the YouTube description below um I don't know if there's any way to get involved as a user just yet other than kind of following the project joining the Discord you know engaging on Twitter stuff like that uh but generally uh uh

uh yeah I mean if you're a user or a developer you can go check this out I think it's just more geared towards developers right now but I'll link that in the YouTube description below uh for you to check out of course but I think that's the last update for today I did I just realized I have no foraster tabs open today and that's because I had so many other kind of like Twitter tabs open and it was getting really uh really long and I'm just like you know what uh I'll just leave it at that for today cuz I was going to go over time if I didn't I think I'm right up almost at 30 minutes here so I think I'm going to leave it at that for today but we'll be back tomorrow so yeah thank you everyone for listening and watching be sure to

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