Drips: Funding that Flows where it Matters with Ele Diakomichalis

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foreign [Music] network podcast if you're just joining us we are building a coordination a network Society thousands of hackers dreamers and doers focused on using crypto to bring positive some digital systems to the world this podcast features the people who are doing it and this published every Tuesday and Thursday if you want to learn more visit our website at greenpill.network where you can download the Greenfield book for free join the Discord and become a member of your local greenpill.network chapter my guest today is LA from radical and drips.network La was previously VP data science and engineering at SoundCloud and in this episode we cover his journey into web3

from web 2 why he was disillusioned by web 2 but fascinated by the data structures that he had access to at SoundCloud what are the interesting ways in which we could route music to the right people using the data that he had at SoundCloud and how is that applied to how we route funding to projects in web 3. so in this episode we talk about graph networks we talk about supporting open source software we talk about how radical and git coin are taking complementary approaches to those problems and we talk about drips independency funding so basically drips.network is one of radical's new prod products and it is a a software suite that allows you to drip funding between different dependencies in your open source software projects but also

to sort of stitch together these flows of funding where you can basically fund multiple things in your ecosystem At Once by just hitting a certain address with a stream of tokens so radical has been a great Ally of getcoin in the public goods funding ecosystem La is a total Visionary I've been talking about this Vision with him for the last five or six years and it's just really cool to see their ecosystem grow over the last several years so I really enjoyed this episode with LA and I think radical is one of the best Brands out there in web3 regen space and I think you're going to enjoy the episode as well ballet Dao is an open Global Collective working to finance and democratize the governance of synthetic biology

Technologies to protect the future of our planet research and progress into synthetic biology is critically constrained by the world of nation-state regulations and bureaucracy from middlemen but the potential that synthetic biology has for the world is massive it can produce a world in total harmony with nature we can grow stuff using cells like software it's awesome and the best part is we no longer have to pull carbon out of the ground to grow and maintain civilization don't you think we should be funding this Valley Dow does and that's what they're here to do to try and make the solar Punk World of Tomorrow a reality today so join Valley Dao right now and save the planet at valleydow.bio what's up Ellie how you doing how you doing Kevin great to see you

yeah same ready to get radical thank you for having me yeah um all right so tell us about radical and drips what have you been up to yeah uh so a lot of things have been happening but maybe I should start by saying a few words about uh yeah my story the story of these two projects and yeah and then we can we can zoom in on drips which is uh the project that I've been spending most of my time the last few months uh so my name is eleftherius I am the co-founder of the radical project I would say Sovereign Ford effectively a server Network for code collaboration uh we started this project in 2018 and uh the idea behind the project was um always that if crypto networks will

become as disruptive as they were claiming that they want to become then they're gonna need new server and infrastructure um and this were the idea of radical came from the radical vision from the get-go it included two things the one side was the Silver infrastructure for developers and then on the other side it was effectively attempting to experimenting with new funding models to fund open source to fund those developer communities effectively and over the years we basically separate it still it's you know the same organization we call the organization radworks it's the dial Behind these two projects but then you know radical is the peer-to-peer code collaboration protocol and drips is

this new toolkit for funding public goods um that I'm excited to share more with you and uh I I guess I'll just say as we're kind of talking about our stories back when I was founding or co-founding Bitcoin back in 2017 and you and your co-founders were building radical we met up in in Berlin uh and got coffee and talked about how we could work together so this has been a blossoming friendship over the last five years and we've always had similar I think in the beginning git coins focused on it was on open source software in radical used to be called OS coin it was focused very much on open source funding right and so we're like Hey we're both like legit teams working on the same thing do we work together do we like how do we work around each other and so it's

been fun to follow the journey over the years and just become friends uh over the last five years no same here it's actually like uh many times we talk about this with Michael founder so Kevin was one of the first few people that actually reached out to us uh when we shared our original Manifesto and uh yeah as you said you know we got together early on we were like oh you seem cool you work on interesting stuff how can we you know work together and it's been really amazing to see you execute on the gift kind of vision over the years and it's really nice to see you again uh coming back to the gitken community so I'm really Keen to see what's what's going to come out yeah and it's always been like a positive sum game for me I mean uh people ask me hey Bitcoin is that

like decentralized GitHub and I'm like there's another project radical let's do exactly uh you should go talk to them and then over the years I think we we ran a couple events together and if I recall get coin and radical actually even did a token swap which is like yeah version of putting a ring on it like I think it's it's cool that that there's shared uh governance relationship there so uh it's been cool to see the projects co-evolve and hopefully the next five years is positive sum as the last five years were yeah totally no I I almost forgot about this and I think this is something that most of the audience doesn't know but indeed yeah Bitcoin and radworks did the token swap so effectively each Community can has voice and upside I guess and uh yeah can influence the direction of it of of the

other community which is very very exciting yeah I feel that yeah you guys were always very like you know like pragmatic who were a bit more you know like like idealistic I remember when you met you were like oh you guys taking on a big a big Vision I was like yes we do let's see how far we're gonna go uh but yeah after so many years you know Alive and Kicking so uh yeah excited to be here yeah well this shortcut spit Us in the butt when we had to rewrite the entire thing to be decentralized you're building a decentralized we started yeah you know like you see like trade-offs are lower right you know I think I think you know the centralization that you introduced early on allowed you to move fast we took this card the hard route many times had to rewrite you know the

stock to make it work simply because we were in answering the territory especially with radical uh but yeah like we have made a lot of progress especially over the last year and over the last bear market and both there are a lot of exciting stuff happening on the radical front and now also on drips uh which is yeah I would like to discuss more of that with you so let's dive in on drip so we can catch up uh maybe later in the episode or off air so so take us into drips what's the vision what is the product and uh how do people get involved with it yeah no that sounds great uh so so what's the story with drips uh so I've been long fascinated with graph structures um this is my game in fact at some point

I started a PhD in computer science focusing specifically Network science uh I used to be at SoundCloud the music company and I I was always really fascinated by graph structures uh and I started pursuing this wild idea that I I could predict effectively the emergence of new musical genres simply by studying the graph let me play that back to you so the graph uh in my it's it's basically the relationship between nodes in a network and like they can either have directed relationships between them like where I follow you on Twitter or on Facebook it's mutualistic where we have an edge between two nodes and uh if you expand out you have a social graph and as SoundCloud you were using that social graph to basically predict which music people like by what they what they

listen to and who they're related to on The Social Network I just wanted to play that back for the audience so that they got it did I get that mostly right yeah 100 you nailed it so I'm talking about you know graph structures as graphs in mathematics not as graph databases in computer science and that's like yes you have you know a bunch of entities and then you have relationships between them and in the SoundCloud chase that was musicians and listeners effectively and the relationships between musicians with each other and their issue between listeners and musicians and listeners and listeners uh but yeah like at some point in 2017 I was quite um demotivated with everything that was

coming out of the web 2 world I had concluded that you know these new players in the music industry they're not going to be the force of disintermediation that I was hoping that they will be and the force of empowerment uh and I started looking around you know for things that uh you know could could realize this idea of user owned and operated networks uh this was you know this was the the thing that actually brought me the web 3 and then through that process we actually decided to apply that thesis into the code collaboration network of the world and that's where the radical idea came from so you know long story but uh graphs have always fascinated me uh one of my

favorite graphs is the the graph of Open Source dependencies and this much we know is very very inspiring to me um the reason is that because I I really think that you know these graphs especially the open source dependency graph reveals this profound truth that as a species we are interdependent and our success effectively relies on success of others uh so uh yeah so so so so so for a while we've been thinking how could we do something how could we come up with new funding mechanisms that will will tap into this interdependency between software projects and people and this is where the drips IDI came from so effectively drips is a

decentralized toolkit for funding public goods like aperture software that relies in this interdependencies between software and uh people that's the high level View and practically the way it works is that you go to dripstop network which is uh the main website for the product and effectively here are asked to create a list so at the core of the product experience is just a list which is effectively uh uh a has a title and let's call this for now you know like a green peel software dependencies or open source dependencies or you know Greenfield public goods and then you're asked to effectively you know um curate at least add a few recipients and these

recipients can be ethereum addresses ens names or here we also having an optional interesting feature where we're allowing uh anyone to add any git related URL uh so uh effectively um you know to include software projects that don't yet have an ethereum address into your list so you create that list and then you know it has a title has a bunch of recipients and then in the end you have the possibility to specify uh a percentage associated with each item on the list and then effectively you know you share that on the network and then you have the ability to fund those so that's the very high level story and there's there's a lot there

um but I I think that the the thing that comes to mind or top of mind for me is just how much of a core primitive it is to be able to create lists and into Channel funding into them and have it just routed to the way the the most important projects in the get coin Universe we call these aqueducts which are you know aqueducts in ancient Rome was something that took water from a place where there's a lot of supply of it to a place where there's a lot of demand for it and uh I think they like the web 3 equivalent is dowels that are creating token emissions for whatever and they want to fund their ecosystem open source or public goods and so they can use drips to compose where those funds flow and um you know compose maybe

even drips into drips into drips and it kind of it becomes this like this like almost like these series of like veins that that distribute uh resources to where they're most needed and at scale it gets really exciting I can imagine that a builder could be receiving tens or hundreds of drips in uh in public goods funding from a bunch of different places so once these Primitives really get start to be used and they they uh propagate there's just a lot of exciting things I think we could all have income coming from lots of different sources in the future uh based off of the value we're creating and uh that I I'm curious you know what's your vision of this at scale if you're massively successful what is what does the world look like

and how does it change yeah uh that's that's a great question and uh the answers that question is becoming more clear to me especially the last few days but I feel that the end game here for us um is is quite simple uh so for now uh I would be let's say you know in a few years from now I would be proud if outovole treasuries out there one percent of those Treasures is allocated over the next few years towards funding their critical software dependencies and other forms public goods that they collectively depended so what we're really trying to do with drips is we really try to establish a new cultural norm where effectively the same way that you know you are a a new crypto team and

using a new token and you say well you know I want 20 of that to go to the core contributors 10 to go to investors five percent to liquidity mining programs Etc so what we want to see is we want to see uh Dow treasuries well-funded website organizations open and transparent uh on organizations to actually start funding transparently uh and programmatically effectively uh their software dependencies and we we really think that this is not a uh altruistic move uh we actually think that for these teams it's it's actually selfish uh it's on your own interest to make sure that these projects that you depend on they will

incentivized and they are resilient enough you know healthy happy been productive as I say many times uh and you know to keep enabling you to do what you do so we we providing this restructure we we're making it extremely simple for anyone to fund their dependencies either attractively or you know moving forward like paid forward type of models the thing I really want to drill in on there uh is that you said that it's it's it's not just like a hippie dippy like altruistic thing you're actually building a flywheel in which the ecosystems that fund their dependencies uh create value in their ecosystem which is actually just Goodwill and karmic energy uh that increases ecosystem value and then maybe

comes back to the treasury eventually and that's at least the flywheel that I that I've been sort of pitching for for Bitcoin grandsons and um you know I'm curious if you guys if you all see that flywheel too um it's it's very different mindset from most of crypto where there's this transactional mindset and um and basically uh it's it's it's very transactional and not give first and and I think bootstrapping these positive some economies and these positive some flywheels is it can seem as like be seen as hippie dippy but I actually think that it's a it's a competitive advantage to make sure that people in your ecosystem are funded I'm curious if you want to Riff on that at all yeah I know I would love I would love to be from

that fun actually so so there's something that I feel those people have not yet understood which is that the times are changing and what I mean by that is that um for a while I've been reflecting on crypto networks and one of the things that I I'm happy with crypto networks there are a lot of things that I'm unhappy with but one of the things that I'm actually very happy with crypto networks is that it's it's an interest it's an industry almost exclusively open source yeah it's rare that you're gonna find close Rush components and when you do you know that you actually have to be questioning what's going on behind the scenes so compare it with anything out there like we want to compare it with like AI you want to compare it with the

ai ai industry we want to compare it with the web to Industry right so it's very different here crypto networks are by Design open source uh and that's the one thing that I understood quite early and I was like oh this must be important but I couldn't figure out how yet yeah and then the thing that I'm I'm realizing actually uh over the last year is that the other thing happen is that with the emergence of Taos you have these organizations that are open and transparent in their decision making so if you put you know these two things together you have one an organization at these developing over the software themselves and then be an organization that it's decision making is actually happening in public which effectively what that means is that over the last

year uh two years I would say we've seen a number of organizations going and doing really wild things with regards to public goods funding the one example of the thing everyone's talking about right now is is retroactive public goods funding or retropcs there's a lot going on there but the thing that I'm very uh excited about is this idea that you finally have a group that is linking its profits with its uh dependence with it the software projects and the public goods that they actually depend on this was part of the optimism's collective blog post but they're effectively saying that we're making probably good profitable because we have this direct Channel contained from our profits to to

to to to to our software dependence and I think this is very interesting and proves the point uh and then the other thing that actually is happening it's fascinating is this whole story with protocol Guild uh protocol Guild you know a bunch of ethereum core contributors get together and say you know what the incentives to work on SQL infrastructure are not there what if we change that and what they do is they create a list it's again a list just a list you know like they make it super simple and then they go around and douse and I think from what I've seen they have collected 15 million dollars in less than a year and I think out of all the proposals they made they made two dollars only one has been rejected and my gut tells me is that you know it's a

lot harder for an organization that says that oh I care about open source I care about like all of these ethers to actually say well I'm not gonna find the opportunity you know it's and it's a lot harder to hide be behind the the corporate at the traditional corporate you know like hide behind that oh I'm sorry we're not gonna do it you know why well who knows you know when you do this on the forums and it's actually like people will call you out on your so you have to stand by your values a lot more so that's that's my hope for why this vision is actually exciting and we can I think we can see more of those type of ecosystems emerging it's funny how like we've so independently arrived

at similar Visions uh I just gave a talk at permissionless in which I was talking about how pluralistic public goods funding is um in by necessity uh you're getting pluralism of of mechanisms for public goods funding so protocol Guild which is a self-curity registry get coin which is qf but also becoming QB and retroactive public goods funding and then you've got optimism retroactive public goods funding and giveth and CLR fund so you've got a diversity of mechanisms and funding sources and um when you have it that pluralism which by the way pluralism is a feature in all sorts of natural systems it creates anti-fragility diversity um you know creates shock resilience and many other things like you're going to need a way to stitch them together and

so I'm imagining the superstructure in which you have these public goods funding mechanisms um and they're stitched together by a series of drips or aqueducts that um you know uh there's like a an emissions from many different dowels and it's flowing into protocol Guild and a retroactive public goods funding and quadratic funding and through a diversity of mechanisms and dowels that can distribute them to the ecosystem and at scale it gets really exciting because if you have many dials supporting it and you as a contributor that's building like I don't know ether is JS or something uh gets money from different places then then it's just a it's just a really exciting vision for me to have all of these things interoperable with

each other in modular and it just couldn't have existed in the old web 2 world where everything was monolithic and we're all elbowed each other out for market share we just are all modular and doing one thing and doing it well so yeah the emergent superstructure of public goods funding I think is one of the most underrated narratives in web3 I I agree 100 I was actually speaking with uh David uh one of the organizers of funding the commons this this morning and we were riffing on that idea that how effectively the public good stack as the funding of the commons team calls it you know it has to happen you know it has to happen on blockchains like this architecture of you know composable smart contracts makes makes that possible I really don't think that

there's anything else out there like can you imagine you know like uh having a web to hackathon about funding probably good how would that work how many of these names have open apis is the data set there like like how like how can you make this thing to compose easily here like you get that for free and that's that's very exciting tough to figure out how to explain it to my Boomer dad uh who's asked me several times do I have to do this on crypto yes we have to build this structure on crypto because it's Global uh it's transparent it's modular everything can work together and there's just no where you're like fighting with your bank about where your payment is uh for like days at a time so um I I think that you know people who are our generation who are actually

living it uh actually see it but uh there's a long way to go to to get this this kind of thing to mainstream acceptance and I actually think that there's a little bit of show don't tell here where if you're in the mainstream you've probably only seen crypto crypto is a scam crypto scam ABC comes up but you're not really getting to see the the superstructure that's actually pro-social and is good for the world and I think for us to solve that next cycle would be great if if a bunch of web 2 developers were getting tokens just because they created open source software not entering because they bought a bag and I think that like leading our best foot forward would be showing not telling funding open source software and uh winning over hearts and Minds by giving an income to the people

who have created public goods and aren't funded for it open source software to uh included so I actually think that solving this problem is important for turning around crypto's reputation and making it net net Pro social for the world so um the more we can work together on exporting public goods to the world uh the more I think that it's it's good for the world but it's also good for crypto yeah no I I agree 100 uh like the the thing that I realized by doing and by building is that how much everything else that's happening on the crypto world is really like him doing us from even accomplishing that Vision I give you a practical example uh uh I was speaking with someone from the Retro PTF team and of course I don't know like

they allocated the last year I don't know 50 million dollars like some some really significant amount and then one of the things that this you know they share that's really painful is Adina they even when you even reach out to people saying like hey thank you for your open source work this is a bunch of magical internet money like people are like probably you try attack me or probably like like something is something is is weird you know and this is of course because of the bad rep of crypto networks and everything that's going on there but I remain very optimistic um and yeah I think that we have important work to Academy so yeah all right I wonder if we can get really tactical on radical drips if I'm a member of the green pill Network and I'm

listening to this episode I probably work for a Dao I'm probably a protocol engineer at a top web 3 project how can I use drips in my ecosystem what examples are there that you're really excited about and in what ways can drips provide utility to to me and my Dell cases we're very excited about and it's effectively the one that's really pursuing is this whole idea of dependency funding so if you have a dial out out there if you're a member of a Dao we want to talk to you about effectively funding your critical software dependencies with drips uh there was a um a proposal that passed last week radworks the organization that is behind radical and drips effectively uh voted to allocate one million dollars

in usdc the state will coin and rad the governance token over the next year um with something very very exciting and in the way they did it uh it was quite cool so of course there were a lot of conversations on forums and you know a lot of like you know back and forth is this good can we afford this do we like this blah blah blah blah right uh but effectively you know uh the way the way it ended up taking place is that the dog created a list which contains three sub-dials and an allocation for for each uh and then it's up down effectively controls their own list right so it's a list of lists right so the dial a list contest has three lists with some doubt it some doubt has their own critical

software dependencies and then the Dow effectively started the streaming funds um into into that list and is that those funds actually flowing through the network right now hitting the software dependencies uh so we want to do more of that uh and um we think that it's a really neat way to one make sure that the uh projects that you actually depend on that make your work possible are well funded and well incentivized to continue doing what they're doing you want you know your critical dependencies to be healthy and and happy and productive and financially rewarding them saying is very very important but also you know what we've done with radworks which we

realized is very interesting is that we also think that for those that have a governance token it's a really nice way to actually say hey thank you for everything you're doing and this is like now you can actually influence the direction of where we are going if you're of course interested in that right so it's a really nice way to put both both to uh you know financially incentivize someone uh and also you know to give them a possibility to participate um on your Dao and I really think that we're gonna see a lot more of that um as retro PDF and protocol Guild are showing this is this is a selfish Endeavor right like you know if you want to think about socialtristic do it but actually you know like I really think that the ecosystem that they're doing

these are the ones that um are progressing the fastest um so so yeah so we so we're more excited to see a lot more of that the drips product and the drips protocol making this extremely easy for you to do so uh you can even actually stream funds or like send funds to uh open source dependencies that don't yet have an ethereum address we have come up with an with a cool um into interesting optional identity solution powered by chain links Oracle where effectively you can start streaming to a GitHub URL if you want to use if you want to use that and then the maintenance of that project you know there's a process for them to claim the funds by actually committing a Leo funding notation file within a serum

address on the main branch and you know the product takes care of all of that it makes it extremely simple for you to fund your dependence and also it makes it extremely simple for this dependency to keep playing that you know dependency game to keep passing some of those proceeds to their own dependencies and yeah pass that love so that's that's the idea and that's what we're very excited to do we're also starting seeing like the other use cases um like uh you know people putting on online lists that are in the style of if you find me I'm funding these people you know you have this really nice like routing Network or graph again emerging without money flowing per se it's kind

of decoupled right you actually go and communicate the intention that if someone funds me um then those proceeds will be passed along to these people and you can do this with 100 actually during the alpha of the drips product we had we tested this with the solidity team and you know we restart the solidity team and we were like oh this is really cool uh but we actually don't need the funds so what we're gonna do is if anyone wants to fund us we're gonna put a non-chain configuration create a list contained effectively that redirects a hundred percent of those funds to um to the people they know that need those funds right so so so you have this interesting Dynamics at the merge so you know there's a bunch of that happening

uh yeah there are like other other individuals are doing things like oh these are the people that inspire me and going and communicating this on team so it's a really nice package these lists uh you know are a nice simple package and that's what we really love about this idea it's simple it's effective and it productizes something that teams were trying to do for a while for instance retropcs the team tried to find their advantage and they did a bit of that but you know it's it's hard and it's hard in many ways so we're making this whole experience extremely simple for you I'm on the website which is at drips.network if you're listening open up a tab and go to drips.network and I gotta say the

graphic design on this is really cool you all have really excelled at uh graphic design and software development of course since the beginning and there's literally a graph Network showing funding that flows between each other and now I'm realizing that we're we're ending where we're starting and that you talked about your love of graph networks as the reason that you got into this and now we're six or seven years into the journey and you've literally built an emergent drips funding graph Network so that seems like a total nerd snipe to me and it can't be by accident no no definitely not by accident you know we've been very fixated with this idea and um you know like the space talks a lot about mechanisms and I think it is it it is the right thing uh but I also think

that we need new behaviors and new cultural norms and this is the one that I'm excited about um yeah basically like okay if you care about open source fund your dependencies these are the people that make your work possible it's it's simple we think it's effective so this is you know we've been laser focused on this for a while um yeah and now we have the tools to make this possible so yeah well I'm wondering as we're getting into closing down the episode if there's anything I didn't ask the that you want to say about drips but also would be happy to zoom out and look at the other pillars of uh the radical ecosystem as well no I I I believe that we you know we covered a lot with uh with drips I think the one

thing that I feel like I touched on which is subtle but um but important is that drips also includes decide this possibility to do this continuous payouts this is kind of different from pretty much all other um all other crowdfunding or funding public goods infrastructure so the reason why we really liked this from the beginning it introduced a lot of of complexity to our thinking originally we just had this routing graph but uh you know we wanted to add streaming specifically because we think that um it it really works better in this trustless environment you know like like men like many dials or adults with announce right

and you know or you're an unknown contributor you don't really know you don't you don't really know the other people so really think that it's actually you know it enables interesting use case both Forward Thinking right that okay you can have effectively like a vesting style of you know payout that happened by the second forwards right and as an example um like you know Foundry is one of our biggest dependencies right like you know we actually streaming funds into them but who knows maybe three months from now like a new tool emerges and you know we we change sorry your wish I don't think you're gonna do this but uh but you know who knows right so you can of course adjust it and then you have this really fair start and stop right that

happens by the second and you know you don't need to wait for a cycle to be over and stuff like that so this is that but also there is this idea of trust that many times you operate in a non-network it's it feels fair and feels right to actually be able to immediately access your funds rather than have to wait for this you know one of payments that happened you know once in a while this this by the way has been one of my criticisms like it's minor uh with regards to to git going but you all did amazing things over the years this is the one that oh I always felt that it's missing and simply this came from doing a little easier research with developers were always developers I remember they were

telling me well you know like I'm getting one of payments but my bills are Arcane yeah you know like they don't go away so so there's something there to be explored and I'm sure there are a lot of things to explore between drips and Bitcoin but this is why we really liked this parents idea of streaming with with splitting it it's enabling you know some of those use cases that feel right both when you operate on this usage model also when you operate you know forward thinking but also when you operate in this unknown environment where you don't know maybe you know this dial will disappear or they will change their mind or whatsoever you know yeah I think it's a fair uh a fair point um I guess like I I I I kind of think of this emergent structure around funding

public goods as um the in through the Unix Philosophy for the audience members who aren't technical it's just basically a way of aligning our sorry architecting computer systems where you have modularity where each thing has contained scope and does one thing well but then they're all made to be interoperable with get unforeseen computer programs and um and you know I guess I take the criticism of Bitcoin grants is almost like oh it's a modular thing that's meant to do one thing well which is you know crowdfunding ecosystem and um you know you can stitch it together with other things that uh maybe bring the recurring funding or or maybe you stitch together multiple qf rounds you just do them every quarter and that's how you get the recurring funding but if we're

successful um just just to Pivot to one other point you made like you said that Foundry Foundry is a dependency that you will rely on yeah Foundry is one of our biggest dependencies the protocol the protocol guild.use is also right so yeah you know if you're successful then like you won't need to bootstrap something like Foundry off of a VC firm like Paradigm I know I'd like love Paradigm they've they've funded get coin they're they're big supporters of the ecosystem but imagine having a group of hackers that could just build open source software and not have to be like an add-on to a VC firm if we're successful in building this this emergent superstructure no this is this is really the end game right like yeah I think optimism says this really clearly the

optimism Collective says this really clearly you know by linking the Dallas proceeds to the public goods that the collective depend on they make them profitable and I really think that this is something that you know we have a real thought here at accomplishing and I don't mean we as drips trips Place one component as you say but I think the whole public good space uh Ellie it's always great to catch up with you like I said this has been a relationship for me between Bitcoin and radical uh but also just me and you and and me and Abby who runs radworks for the last five years and I I can't wait to be building this ecosystem together uh as it really starts to pick up momentum hopefully over the next couple years how can

people learn more about radical and use drips in their own ecosystems what websites should they go through and what should they try to get their feet wet yeah so uh if you want to find your dependencies with drips go to drips.network and then the product will guide you uh in doing that uh if you're interested about shower and truly Sovereign infrastructure for developers go to radical.xyz uh there's been a lot of development in radical over the years I know that this is you know a project that we've been working on for a while you know we went through multiple iterations of that infrastructure but it's now at a really great place so go to radical XYZ

um install the tooling and then you can start collaborating with your peers truly peer-to-peer fashion um yeah and then if you're interested about the organization Behind these two projects um yeah you can basically go to radworks and yeah Twitter like Twitter does it or to our Forum as well great well there will be links in the show notes where you can get access to drips Network radical and radworks and Ellie always great to catch up with you and looking forward to building the regen movement together in the future same and thank you so much for the work you've been doing over the years it's always always has been very inspiring and thank you so much for having me yeah it's been fun

all right peace and love [Music] already we just heard from LA from radical Network really excited about them because of their complementary approach to web3 regen funding and I think that radical has a bright future ahead of us I'm excited about radical thanks for listening to the greenpill.network podcast again we are building a podcast in a network that features the people who are building a coordination a network Society of thousands of hackers streamers and doers focused on using crypto to bring positive some digital systems to the world like LA from radical like the radical Network you value our work

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