Dencun updates, Rocket Pool upgrades and more - The Daily Gwei Refuel #684 - Ethereum Updates

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hello everyone welcome to another episode of the delway refuel where cup the latest news in ethereum ecosystem I'm your host and S the 6th of November 2023 all right everyone let's get into it so kicking off today's episode we have some denune updates for you or at least the eth uh Dev Co update for you coming in here from Christine Kim this is the allore devs call number 121 and her summary is posted here on Twitter and in a blog post so basically devnet 11 is now up and running there was a girly Shadow fork for denune on November 4th so this update's from November 4th uh devet 12 launch probably not till early December at this stage so they are doing a 12 devet you know I didn't even think they were doing an 11th one but it seems like they're doing 11 and 12 which

makes sense considering that there was that change that I talked about last week to EIP 4844 um that was going to require obviously more testing uh and then Christine has her own opinion here that she's giving about um the girly public test net launch apparently will not uh likely until after the holidays meaning January right so I guess I was speculating that we would get girly sometime in December but obviously as it's that that's going to be the holiday period it it becomes a bit difficult to coordinate those things to make sure the right people are online in order for these things to to go through smoothly so it would make sense for it to be pushed to something like January right maybe early to mid January I'm not sure and as I said this is Christine's opinion on things I didn't actually listen to the call myself but if she is

saying this then obviously I trust her judgment here but then where does that put us in terms of kind of timing for main net well as I've been saying to you guys I didn't expect mayet until you know February at this point in time for Denon um but I I think I did actually say at one point that it could be pushed out to March just depending on testing now in saying that you know we could do girly early to mid January right uh then that goes through smoothly then we can do the next test Nets um you know and then just one after the other and then we can schedule main Nets but timing wise I mean from being optimistic probably like mid to late Feb at this stage but more likely probably March if if they're going to do a test if they're

going to do girly in in um January if they do girly in December then feb's still the Target right but then I I feel like if they do it in January because they want to give like at least a month for a month notice for people to update for main Nets it pushes it pushes Us in into March pretty quickly right and it's kind of funny how like it keeps getting pushed out and as I've said before there has never been like a official timeline or anything like that but it keeps getting pushed out for various different reasons um obviously the the reasons have been like requiring testing CU this is this is a complex change you know not just EIP 4844 but the other IPS as well it's always a complex change in ethereum is such a big kind of network now and there's so many different clients you

have to coordinate that so obviously we want to make sure that we do all the necessary testing but on top of that as I mentioned last week Terren posted about some changes that the core devs wanted to make to 4844 to make it just a better mechanism generally and a better kind of upgrade generally um which they think you know short-term kind of pain in terms of delaying I guess like the release of denin a little bit for longterm gain uh which I think is is okay you know as I've said before I don't think at least right now there's like a critical rush to get 4844 to get denune out the door I think as the market starts to heat up it becomes more and more pressing and I do wish that we got it in the original timeline that I had kind of uh speculated on which was

November which is obviously this month but at the end of the day that was just my personal speculation and uh you know as I said like I I could be wrong on that and I was wrong on that um and I think that it's not because no one wanted it to happen it's just because testing took longer than usual we want to make sure that this uh that that implementing Erp 4844 especially doesn't kind of bring any negative consequences to the network or anything like that and it works as advertised so to speak uh but you know it gives the l2s more time to basically upgrade their Stacks as well I did mention the other day that uh there was a kind of warp cast rate about op stack being upgraded as part of the canyon upgrade in order to take advantage of EIP 4844 or blobs generally

like as soon as a goes live so you know as many l2s as we can to get to that state and then they're just like in a holding pattern until 4844 goes live and there's just a a switch that they have to flip sort of thing um to enable that that would be really awesome because then we get the benefits of it because you know let's just say 4844 went live this month right denk went live this month and like maybe one or two of the l2s were ready for it and the rest weren't ready yet it doesn't really give us anything right um it's kind of like a half measure so there is that positive of we would expect the majority of the l2s to be to take advantage of blobs by the time Denon goes live in probably you know late Feb sometime in March at this

at this rate and then we get the full kind of benefit of that upgrade rather than everyone kind of being like Oh when's that upgrade going to hit my favorite l2o right um which obviously I think is a huge positive there but yeah as I said uh I I'll I'll keep tabs on this for you guys and keep you guys updated on this but we are getting really close to the holiday period now I mean I don't know what it's like for you guys in terms of like the real holiday period but generally in Australia runs from like mid December to like mid to late January I guess it just depends on what industry you're in um but definitely over like the I guess like 20th of December to like the 5th of Jan the bulk of it you know the bulk of the Christmas New Year period that is

definitely considered the holiday period for ethereum devs we you know they work everywhere right so it's kind of hard to tell what that's going to look like but I think the bulk of it would definitely be between I guess the 15th of December to the 15th of genan so that month is basically what I would classify as the holiday period there but it does vary from obviously uh country to country you know culture to culture depending on when you celebrate New Year's when you celebrate Christmas all that sorts of stuff if if you don't even celebrate Christmas right you celebrate other holidays around that period but yeah as I said generally I mean because I'm inan Australia I know when when it kind of gets celebrated there that's when people like to to take it easy but from past kind of holiday periods the ethereum C

devs do not take it easy I think it's funny because like I I feel like with the ethereum core devs and researchers it doesn't really feel like work to them because they're so passionate about what they're doing and yes they should be taking breaks like all of us should be taking breaks during the holiday period I mean the refi doesn't actually stop during the holiday period for people have been around for a while I I do it as much as I can I mean I I'm pretty sure I've done it on Christmas day uh before um and New Year's Day I don't think I've done it on news Eve before uh but yeah I mean I don't stop during the holiday period And I I don't think the C devs do either because they're just super passionate right about it even though we should be taking breaks and we

should be doing other things right it's hard to when you're that passionate about something so expect to see work still being done during that period but I doubt anything is going to get scheduled during especially the the big bulk of it of like December 15th or December 20th to Jane 5th I I don't expect anything there that's why I'm saying we're probably going to look at a girly uh test net launch maybe like mid Jan or something like that uh if we do do it uh but because that that stuff requires coordination from pretty much like all of the core deps right so that stuff's only going to happen when most people are around most people are on Deck most people are are easily reachable uh whereas I expect at least kind of like half to definitely be away from the computer right definitely be on

proper holidays which as I said we should all probably be doing more um but it's going to be hard I think it's going to be hard generally just because the Market's hitting up again right I think that it depends on what kind of person you are if you're someone who enjoys kind of unplugging or if you're someone who goes on a holiday and just sits on their phone and still does the same thing they do at home I'm guilty of that definitely like you know I'll go somewhere else other than my home and but I'll still just sit on my phone and my laptop and still keep up with everything I don't think I've ever person unplugged uh from crypto since I got into ethereum in 2017 like I feel like the longest I've ever unplugged was on a flight I think it was a 20-hour

flight it was from London to Perth it was I think that's the longest flight in the world I think they do London to city now which is a bit longer but I had no uh I a Wi-Fi on that flight so it was like 20 hours of being completely disconnected um and other than that I I don't think I've ever been disconnected from from kind of like ethereum I've always been on my phone I've always had my phone with me and people will say you know that's not healthy that you you know should take breaks and I totally agree with that but it's hard guys and I know you guys know how hard it is especially when things are like happening and you're getting fomo and stuff like that but generally I I I'm going to try to at least over the holiday period take a little bit of a

break but as I said the refill is going to continue I'm not going to rug you guys on on that one there but anyway moving on from that there to some other updates uh so well this isn't really an update it's more of just something interesting I came across on Twitter from Danning here who works uh in data at flash bots so they started off the tweet tweet by saying ethereum's empty block percent dropped dramatically after the merge because we have better block space usage now no more two e block emission rewards no more empty block farming incentive an meev boost validator Outsource block packing to builders competition brings better efficiency because as you guys know me boost uh is accountable for about 95% of block building on ethereum today um but

also Prem merge when we were under proof of work we had a uh probabilistic block time so the target was what 13 something 13 point something seconds but generally it could be as long as you know I mean it could technically theoretically be as long as as as kind of like minutes but usually it hung around the 13 point something Mark but with proof of stake ethereum we have deterministic block times with a hard target of 12 seconds so a block will come in every 12 seconds um and if it's missed it's missed if it's not it's not it's still going to come in every 12 seconds because that's just the way proof of stake ethereum works here but as Danny mentioned the the big kind of I guess changes here were the fact that there was no more reward for empty blocks uh under proof of stake as there

was under proof of work uh and also we have this Outsourcing of block building which leads to a much better and and more efficient market and this is something that I think that is kind of a positive externality of Outsourcing block building where essentially you get the most efficient most effective most kind of like sophisticated block Builders out there in order to build the blocks and and and um present them to the network to be proposed and that way you get better block efficiency generally but of course that comes with the negative externalities that we've seen such as censorship on the network right where because it's so centralized censorship is a huge concern there um because I think there's like what five block Builders and most of them unfortunately sensor and then you have the relays as well and stuff like that

so when you look at like that there are both positive externalities and negative externalities of the meev Boost network or or of kind of Outsourcing block construction block building generally but the point is I guess is that like that's always going to be the case with ethereum that's actually part of ethereum's endgame where block production block construction um we understand that just natural economic forces are going to centralize that no matter what we try to do and that's true for every Network that has me on it AKA every single Network that has uh expressivity built into it even Bitcoin has forms of MV right so when you look at it from that perspective the design around um ethereum is is assuming that block building will be centralized and

in that world we accept that okay that's fine it's centralized but what are the ne negative externalities well the biggest one is censorship and that's why people are working on uh fixes for that such as PBS and inclusion lists that I've talked about before and potentially me burn th those sorts of things to basically make it uh or to disincentivize as much censorship as possible but there are other ways to do that as well through kind of like private transaction stuff like that but kind of comes back to the philosophical argument around should we force people that are I guess like participants in the network whether they be validators or block Builders should we force them to include everything or should we let them have the choice still and I think that that discussion is broader than I

probably have time for on the refuel but generally I take the stance of I think that the network should be as credibly neutral as possible I don't think anyone should be forced to do anything but I also think that uh if if if the network is to be as credibly neutral as possible you have to have it as part of the network kind of rules that transactions are not censored right and I know that there are some arguments that say well that's just forcing people to include transactions that they that they don't want to include but at the same time I feel like there's like a double standard here where it's okay people are censoring some of the builders are censoring tornado cash transactions sorry most of the builders are censoring tornado cash transactions right now okay

but would they censor un transactions because these builders make a lot of profit uh from me extracted from Unis swap so would they give Unis swop the same treatment if ofac censored Unis swap would they censor Unis swap transactions and I don't think they would because if they did their business would be deleted basically they wouldn't have a business so they would either shut down their Builders and then that would make room for the builders that wouldn't censor because censoring unisoft is completely nonsensical based on the economic reality right or they would would censor it and then just get out competed by the builders that don't so there really is like a sealing to censorship here because you can censor certain things like tornado cash transactions which aren't time sensitive and aren't of high

economic value for extracting M from if we're talking about the Builder incentives here but they're not going to sense a Unis swap because as I said if they do they're just going to automatically lose all their market share and kill their business and if they they want to do that then that's fine I mean if they feel like they have to do that because they'd rather not end up in prison for breaking sanctions or whatever okay fine do that but the reality is is that when it comes to block building it is an economic game the most profitable block Builders are going to be the ones that can extract the most me and they're not going to be able to extract the most me if they're censoring Unis swap right like the biggest source of liquidity and source of me on on layer one ethereum and

probably on layer 2 ethereum as well but we layer 2 is a bit different because um the sequences are centralized right now so there's not really any opportunity to extract M there because you're not able to build blocks there um but still like that's the way I kind of think about it so I do think there's a sealing here to how much uh censorship is going to actually happen based on economic factors but we shouldn't just rely on economic factors we should make it so that censorship generally is disincentivized on the network and that's what we're doing with things like PBS and M burn uh and um and inclusion lists and that whole kind of road map there in order to make the network uh more credibly neutral generally but yeah anyway that was a bit of an aside there but figur I'd give you guys a bit of a

uh kind of I guess educational recap on the state of things in the mv/ censorship uh kind of area of ethereum all right so you guys may remember that I mentioned this kind of fix that went into the network or I guess like went into clients a couple of years ago for something called the the late uh block rorg um so there was an issue on the beacon chain I think early on where there were reorgs happening with late blocks and the essentially the Quick Fix was put in place at the client level from memory um but now the uh the fix is actually uh merged into the spec itself so it's not just going to be part of the client it's actually going to be part of the network itself which

obviously is extremely positive because then the clients don't have to worry about this it's just part of the consensus spec so once it's built into the um the network itself into the protocol level the client uh it goes from the client level to the protocol level and now it's enshrined in protocol and by doing that everyone's aligned you know when you build a client you build it with it in the protocol you don't have to worry about uh including it as something extra and it just streamlines the whole process here now you can go give Michael Sprout's tweet thread a read about this cuz he gives some great background on this and explains exactly what it is and why it's important and why it's good to have it in the main spec here so I'll link this in the YouTube description uh below uh for you

to do so there but not much more to say on that one because I can't explain it better than Michael did for those of you who don't know Michael works on the lighthouse consensus layer client so he is a cordev which means that he does a much better job of explaining these things than I ever could so yeah go check out that thread I'll link it in the YouTube description below all right I mentioned this kind of experiment that Mario hav R ran last week where he was running a full node on a PlayStation 4 an ethereum full node on a PlayStation 4 and he got a lot of attention on this and a lot of people interested in this that he made a guide so there's a full-fledged guide here on how to actually do this yourself now I haven't done this yet even though I have

an old PS4 laying around somewhere I think it may be in my garage um but I could I could do it if I wanted to but I don't know I I don't know if I'm going to go through this whole process yet but it doesn't seem like a big um a kind of a complex process it's basically running through how to hack the PS4 AKA jailbreak it then uh basically installing uh a Linux drro on the PS4 and then running an eth node an ethereum full node here so if you're interested in doing that you can go check out this guide I'll link it in the YouTube description below uh for you to do so all right Jasper from the rockero community has a really great tweet thread today going over all of the four major changes that are coming to the RPL tokenomics now the RPL token has been a

source of contention within the rock pool ecosystem for quite a while now for a number of different reasons I think big reasons include the fact that you need uh you know a decent chunk of it in order to become a note operator uh it's very volatile pricewise and because of that the note operators um have efficiency issues right because you have to wait for it to get above a certain CL certain price for your collateralization ratio to uh to to to be above the minimum so you can spin up more more mini pools um or you have to add more RPL CL and it becomes a kind of uh I'm not going to call it like a death spiral sort of thing but it becomes a kind of like cycle where you have to keep buying more to clater Alize more the price goes down and then it can can can spiral a

little bit out of control right and not just that the smaller node operators are punished even more with the current design of of how things work on the toonomic side of things but thankfully there are major changes coming and Jasper does a great thread uh here on um on Twitter has a great thread here on Twitter which I'll link in the YouTube description below breaking down all of these different votes that are going on right now all the all of these different changes now of course these changes aren't going to happen all at once some of them are further out than others I think that they're happening over the next 12 to 18 months uh as part of uh the massive under massive upgrades that rocker pool is going under generally I mean it's not just the tokenomics but it's the whole protocol is just going

under a lot of upgrades to increase efficiency to increase security to better reward Network participants for spinning up n operators and increasing the ra8 supply which has obviously been an issue in the past as well for anyone who has been paying attention to rocker pool um but yeah anyway that's just a high level overview of what's kind of happening there I highly recommend checking out Jasper's tweet thread which I'll link in the YouTube description below which does a much better job of breaking down everything uh into the you into great detail I mean Jasper threads are always great so go check that out I'll link in the YouTube description below for you to do so all right georgeus from Paradigm announced today that op W has been merged so this in practice means that ref at their high performance ethereum node that they've been building can now

be used as is in the op stack and this was made possible in by collaboration with OP Labs the base team and paradigm's own open source team uh benchmarks and more will be coming soon so yeah you can run a full W op stack node just like you would run a full ref ethereum node and this is achieved as well by the fact that the op stack is um evm equivalent essentially uh it is very close to to ethereum in how it um how it functions ethereum layer 1 I should say all the evm on layer 1 uh so it's much easier for these things to be constructed and to be built and to be released than it otherwise would be here now georgeo has a few links to to different things which you can check out I'll link in the YouTube description below as well as replying to a few

people in the Tweet tweets about this and few questions there but great to see this as I said guys we want clients for layer twos and full notes for layer TW people can run easily but we also want client diversity at these layer twos because op uh sorry op Labs has their own client now re is a second secondary client and there's another one as well I I remember I covered from a16z called Maggie M AI um a while ago so you can check that one out as uh well there but anyway I'll link this in the YouTube description below and you can go check it out for yourself all right so this is something that I wanted to spend a little bit of time talking about today because there were a lot of different takes that I think could be given here and I just

wanted to give my high level take on this so this is about AR so AR had a tweet thread over the weekend where they said today we received a report of an issue on a certain feature of the a their protocol after validation by Community developers the guardian has taken the following temporary measure uh measures and no funds are currently out risk so the guardian is basically a multisig um I can't remember how many people are on the multisig but it's a fair few people that exists uh for security issues so if there is a critical security or critical bug or crital critical vulnerability in the r protocol the um Guardian multi can be enacted in order to pause the protocol and that's what they did here so they paused rvv 2 on ethereum Main net they paused certain assets on RV V2 on

Avalanche and they freezed certain assets on rv3 on polygon arbitrum and optimism and they continue to thread here with a bunch of different uh kind of things here uh and then I don't know if they've given a post morm as to actually what this bug was on AR uh I don't think that uh there there is some information in the governance post actually but I don't think there's been a full postmortem yet because this is still uh quite fresh um but yeah I mean there was a high high IAL I guess like high vulnerability sorry affect that affected rvv 2 here which afterwards was raised to a critical and they obviously coordinated with the RV Guardian multisig in order to freeze uh the affected kind of um the affected contracts and the affected implementations here uh but uh yeah I

mean I don't as I said there is no postmortem yet so I can't really talk to exactly what the issue was but what I wanted to talk about was the fact that this ability even exists and how people have reacted to this so obviously within I guess defi we call it decentralized Finance there are a lot of different aspects of it that are not decentralized you know some Protocols are just like fully not defi because they have a multisig that is owned by the team that can enact changes um you know sometimes without a time lock sometimes with a time lock and so on and so forth right so I mean I wouldn't consider those to be defi at all really right but defi is just like this catch all term that we use all the time to describe all of these onchain Finance products and you

know back in the day when um people were coming up with a name for onchain finance one of the names that was suggested was opfi or open finance um or I mean o onchain Finance but defi I guess stuck for a few different reasons one because you know at the time in 2018 we were very star eyed about everything being decentralized and we didn't realize I think at the time like how many things can't be fully decentralized especially from day one um but also defi sounds like defy right to defy the traditional system I mean it was just a meme that caught on and obviously now it's Unstoppable and there's no way we're going to change it but in terms of like the protocols that are deployed today RV is one of the most decentralized right it has a decentralized governance process um but at the same time it does still have this

arve Guardian in place for critical security issues that as I said is only used for critical security issues it is not used for anything else it is not used to alter the protocol as part of normal governance operations or anything like that it is only used as kind of like a last resort if there is a critical vulnerability that could result in a massive loss of funds which is exactly what happened here as I said there's no postmortem on exactly what the bug is yet but I'm sure it was uh obviously um big enough to justify the use of this Guardian it's kind of like how I described the social layer of ethereum of ethereum layer one being like the final stop the final kind of like oh we need to do something to fix ethereum layer one because there a critical bug we would use the ethereum

social layer we would coordinate in order to change the protocol uh to fix the bug and then everyone would upgrade their software and so on and so forth whereas the way it works in arve is that there's this multi Guardian that is has the ability to freeze uh you know certain assets has the ability to pause markets and then it has to go through the normal governance process to enact the change in order to fix these things and obviously unpa uh the affected the affected markets here so I personally think that this is a really good middle ground to be honest because RV is not a new protocol like rvv 2 is not a new protocol rv3 is obviously newer but rvv 2 has been around for a long time and there was still a critical bugging it it doesn't matter how many audits there have been

doesn't matter how many eyeballs have been on the code doesn't matter how many funds have been in then and what the Honeypot was there was still a critical bug discovered thankfully by a white hat that reported it um to to the RV team uh rather than a black hatat that exploited it which just speaks to the point that when it comes to security issues o of of different kind of like contracts on ethereum having a something like a guardian I think for for quite a while is the best case scenario because even though we can coordinate ethereum layer 1 to in theory in theory fix something that was to go wrong here like for example if someone was to completely drain all the AR pools in theory the ethereum layer one social layer could coordinate in order to reverse that

right and I mean to be fair it has happened before with the Dow now the reason why that's not going to happen now is because since the Dow the ethereum social contract has been no bailouts right no reversing anything no interfering with the chain doesn't matter how big the hack is doesn't matter how big the vulnerability is doesn't matter how many funds are lost the ethereum social layer does not come together to um to to fix the I guess what's built on ethereum it will only come together to fix an a critical bug in the ethereum protocol itself it will not bail out individual protocols it will not bail out avette it will not bail out maker and honestly I don't even think it would bail out later if something was to happen there where 30% of all the e Stak was drained to someone's wallet or whatever I don't

think that would I don't think the the um the community would want to to do that there but obviously it's a messy topic we don't know exactly what's going to happen blah blah blah and so forth so that's why when it comes to the things built on top of ethereum they can't rely on ethereum social layer to fix their problems so they have to come up with their own way to fix their own problems and a lot of the time as I said it is a multisig that is owned by the team especially early on in the project to make sure they can obviously do upgrades but also uh grow the project early on um really fast upgrade the project and also protect against security issues but then when you get to a certain size and you want to decentralize it out you want to

create a d you want to have governance with your token and all that sorts of stuff you still need something in place in order to address these security issues and that's where something like the RV Guardian comes in so as I said I'm fully in favor of things like this for for for a long time even because we know that even after years there can be critical vulnerabilities because it's better to protect users using a method like this than it is to leave this bug in and then essentially have to go through the governance process and then and then fix the bug out in the open where it could be exploited by a black black hat because the alternative here would be for this bug to be exploited by a white hat right and they'd have to do it uh and announce it as they're doing

it in order to let people know that they actually haven't been hacked it's just a white hat draining the funds in order to to mitigate this exploit because that's the only other way to mitigate it without a guardian in place to to freeze or pause the um the protocol they would have to exploit it themselves to make sure that the danger is no longer you know in place then they could fix the protocol and then they would return the funds to the protocol is that a solution yes is that a good solution no I don't think so it would cause a lot of confusion it would cause a lot of panic the users would be like holy like you just took my funds right like it it would not go over well so I think the aru guardian is the best we can come up

with well a guardian generally that is in place just for critical security issues is the best thing that we can come up with right now and should be used for protocols I think for for quite a while to to come here but that's my take on things maybe you guys have a different take but I'll link this thread in the YouTube description below for you to check out and I'll make sure to highlight the postmortem once it is published there all right so I just wanted to HDE this blog post from Steve Daka who's working on the ethereum attestation service so this blog post is titled relative trust networks uh and Steve shared it on Twitter with the caption in order to truly create a decentralized future we need to know who to trust without relying on centralized authorities and this article explores how it can be effectively done with

ethereum attestation service so I've talked a lot about in the past I'm definitely not going to recap everything that I've said in the past about this CU I'm already at time here I'm almost at 30 minutes um but you can read this post to to kind of get a gist of what what is going on here but the tldr is that we need some way to have onchain identity and and onchain resistance without relying on things like kyc or centralized intermediaries or other such things like that that that I guess like not only compromise privacy but give power to centralized entities and that's where ethereum attestation servers come comes in so you go give this blog post a read I'll link in the YouTube description below um and yeah I mean it's I highly recommend giving it a read there so just a last up here you guys

know I'm attending that crypto assembly conference in Sydney at the end of the month or towards the end of the month as I said the 22nd 23rd and 24th of November there will be no refuel as I will be at this conference um I'll be on uh uh uh basically a lot of of uh different I mean I I don't know if I'd call them panels during the day but I'm definitely going to be Center Stage for a lot of the the second half of the day on the 23rd so starting from 2 p.m. I'm going to be doing something called unsettling the scene uh which is basically uh talking um trafi at the front of the sorry basically talking defi at the back of the day because tradire starting at the front of the day before 2 p.m. and then basically defi peing everyone from 2 p p.m. onwards I

have a panel with Kane Warwick I believe I'm going to be um uh kind of getting involved with a lot of the other panels and stuff like that it's going to be a good time I love speaking on panels I love speak speaking uh to people who don't really know much about you know ethereum defi crypto generally like trfi folks and stuff like that and basically making them realize why we're all so excited about this technology so I'm super super excited for that and I just had um just before organized that on the 22nd there's another crypto event going on as well uh which is more I guess like not the crowd that we would be used to but more kind of like trying to bridge the gap between the old world and the new world again and I'm going to be on a panel at 400 p.m. with um medy from uh

Sigma Prime who builds the lighthouse ethereum consensus layer client um hopefully that's recorded so you guys can check that one out there but yeah I'm super excited for this event guys like I don't get to go to many crypto events and conferences but when I do I try to really make the most of it because I just get I I just get too excited uh being around all the lack minded people and it is such a better scene than being on crypto Twitter you guys know my view on crypto Twitter it's just a tox sucess pool you go and have real life conversations with people so much better so much more uh constructive so much more nuanced than stupid Twitter I could rant about that for for days now but anyway we're we're over time here I'm going to end it there for today so

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