Building Traditional Dream Factory

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Can you hear me? Yes, that seems good. Okay. All right, good morning everyone. Uh, and welcome to day three of uh, week three of the Valley of the Commons. Um very excited uh today to have uh have Luna and Sam here from

Traditional Dream Factory, a project that gave us here lots of inspiration to to dare to dream big. Uh also uh a project I have been to two times in for me personally very difficult times. Uh it was right when this place was destroyed uh 2 years ago. Uh and uh I I remember how I I felt through through this uh six weeks or so uh when from from disaster striking right before we came to TDF and then staying there and and and feeling how I

processed uh uh this disaster and and the feelings I had and and and the feelings I had towards being in a bigger group of people while being distressed with my own uh uh uh drama. Um, and I'm still very grateful for for holding that space back then and uh uh yeah, accepting me there as just half present and half in my mind. Um, but less about me and more about uh these two beautiful

people that have dedicated at least a big part of their life to to to build an intentional community and to permanently uh uh create a land commons. And not just that, but also create viable structures to reproduce this experience and uh also to make to make it financially viable which in many ways is a root of the challenge. Um and uh yeah uh I find that uh

that work on on on a more abstract plane challenging but also potentially uh uh potentially rewarding in in many things to come downstream from from getting that part right. Um so while Sam has a a technical background uh spent some years in Silicon Valley, >> New York. Okay. Sorry, far away.

Uh and then uh uh yeah, starting uh the quest for land uh uh that wants regeneration. Uh, I'm the quest for people that want to to dare together. uh and uh Luna joining uh about four years ago and uh uh uh growing into the role of a co-founder that uh works more on the on one hand architectural uh dimensions of of co-l livingiving but also the social uh dimensions the social relations that make intention and that whole space. Uh

yeah, both in your work are you are great inspirations. Uh I'm very very thankful for you to be here. Thanks. >> Thank you. Thank you, Felix. And yeah, very happy to be here and to share with you um our story and um everything that we've been building over the last six years at Traditional Dream Factory. Um and yeah, today I want to share with you there's a lot of information. There's a lot of pieces of TDF from land restoration to

technology. um the social aspects um and I want to share with you as much as I can uh in this one hour that we have and also bring some real talk as Felix mentioned the challenges that we also have been through over the last six years. Um it's very easy to talk about all of the amazing things that we've built and all the beautiful moments of the last six years, but also want to share with you a little bit um the challenges that we've been through. Um, for those of you that are aspiring to be village builders or start your own project or join a project like this amazing hub, um, to also be receiving that information as well and that the

truth of the journey. Um, so yeah, this presentation is about building TDF and a little bit about what the is TDF. So um we are a regenerative village in Portugal uh in Alentjo which is a large district of Portugal and we're based in Abella uh a very small village um and the the buildings itself on the land are actually an old chicken factory um that we have been slowly renovating and um TDF is bigger than traditional dream factory. We are actually owned or we are under a Swiss nonprofit uh called OASA.

Um and we also hold a Portuguese company that um is the operating piece. Um and what is pioneering about TDF is that we are also governing under a DAO. Um and so TDF is governed by the token holders um and the software that we are building as well through closer which I'm going to share with you. So as of today we are about 60 citizens. These are our this is our community. These are actually global citizens but they are people that um feel TDF as one of their homes that they keep coming back to year after year.

Um yeah, we have a food forest. There's land regeneration. We are an event space. We are hosting multiple events every year. We have over 320 guests a year coming through. Um and we're also in the process of building out the the co-l livingiving um whilst also raising funds, whilst also dealing with leaking roofs and many other things along the way. So this a little bit of a overview of what TDF is. Um this gives you some perspective of the land. Uh just a Google map, but this is the 25 hectares that we uh are stewarding.

And you can see down in the corner here that this is the actual factory buildings. So we have this old chicken farm in the corner. Um, and then we have these 25 hectares which so right now the the buildings are what we own and I'll talk more about that later. And the 25 hectares we are leasing with the right to buy over the last 5 years. But we have been able to already start regenerating the land. So at least the the five hectares this part of the land up here is the part that we've been mostly uh stewarding working on regenerating.

Um the location was picked very specifically uh by Sam and Annie when they were looking for land uh 6 years ago. Um yeah, like what's interesting about TDF is it was never supposed to be some off-grid bubble in the middle of nowhere trying to step out of society. Um there [clears throat] was an intention about TDF to really be about building bridges and connections. So as you can see down here, this is a Bella and TDF is directly connected to the village. We are neighbors and that that part is intentional. Um we are only one and a half hours from Lisbon. So there

is the idea that you can yeah easily get to us by train. Um yeah, we're 35 minutes to the beach. We're 5 miles from any highway. Um, and we're about 20 minutes from Santiago de Cassain, which is a a big uh town, small city that, you know, has a hospital and schools and all the infrastructure that you you need. And this is um yeah, this was part of the vision to create uh a communal space that is in connection with the local community.

And this is a little bit of the people. Um this picture was taken last year at our citizens gathering and some of the faces here or most of the faces here are are citizens. Uh there's also some volunteers and team uh residents in there and um yeah TDF is made up of different layers. So we have our citizens, these are our token holders that are engaged with the project um governing the project. We have our team um that are the people that are building the project on the ground. We have outside of the tok the citizens, we also have token holders, so people that have just purchased tokens um to support the project but are not necessarily

citizens. Um and we also host like volunteers and residents and events throughout the year. So we have averely we have in season around 30 people on the ground. So, um, what's different about TDF is it's not it's not an intentional community with 20 people that just live there in houses and or a group of families building together. Um, there is rooting that is happening around people feeling belonging and coming back year after year. But TDF was designed originally for nomads. It came from actually um Sam's journey as a digital nomad and wishing to find um the feeling of home and a place that he

could keep moving through that or places that he could travel to where he could feel at home and also um be able to opt into a more regenerative economy. Um so yeah we have um a lot of people um and the people on the ground is actually the people that are building the project right now. These are the people this is our core team. Um that is yeah on the ground if you come visit us. Uh Tanya who is our community coordinator as I call her. Um she's kind of holding the space right now especially with me and Sam stepping back which I can talk about later. Uh

and the rest of the team uh offer who's been with us I think two or three years now and he's um yeah he's really the mastermind behind our land regeneration project and the the master plan. Julia who's an amazing carpenter. She's been part of the build team. And then we have Barer on the land uh stewarding um supporting the garden. Nuno with tech and coms, our first Portuguese team member that we're very happy about. And then Leaper, he's uh our mushroom farm uh lead and geek. So these are our faces of our team. And just to give you some perspective, so this is 2020 um showing the the chicken factory here and you can see the land. And this is

from one of the first planting actions uh in 2020 or 2021 actually. Um and you can see the the state of the soil and of the land. Um just to give you an idea of what we were working with. Um yeah, we said back then we were farming rocks like the land was extremely degraded. Um you can see um the the landscape here very traditional alent landscape. So you have these big cork oaks that have been there for generations and then a lot of land that has just been degraded through uh overg grazing um industrial farming.

And so uh yeah around the chicken factory it really was a desert. And just to give you then some perspective and it's a little bit uh manipulated because this is definitely like summer and this is um fall when the land becomes green but still you can see the huge change in the landscape. So down here we have our food forest, our market garden. You can see the rows of the vegetables and the trees. And this is a a beautiful art piece that was made by one of our residents uh last year, Marcus. Um showing the pond, filtration pond at the top of the food forest of the reforestation. And this is the you can see the the water tower in the

background. So you can see the trees now growing. Um so yeah this is one of our biggest successes I would say and this is our north north star in terms of what TDF is trying to accomplish um I would say that the land regeneration is really a focus for us and whilst we are a very diverse group of people the people that come to TDF um are from all kinds of backgrounds um different beliefs different ideas but one thing that we can all like agree on is that we are in this mission to support regeneration uh to create more life to create biodiversity to bring life back to the land and this is our prototype.

Um TDF is not a finished village. Um yeah it's very far from we are six-year-old prototype. We're very much still under construction. Um we have 60 citizens, a food forest. Um, we have grown our own culture at this stage and we have a legal legal structure that took two countries and three lawyers to build. There's been a lot of work going into the last six years and yet we also still have a long way to go. Um, so today I'm going to talk about the areas that we that we have been building. What are the different parts that are required when it comes to building a village? Um, so we'll talk about the the

three bodies um that make TDF what it is. Uh, we'll obvious obviously talk about technology today and I'll do my best um, I'm not the technologist. Um, so I'll do my best to describe and explain the tokconomics um, and hopefully I can answer your questions later. Um architecture of course um building actual physical architecture, building uh real estate and what that takes. Um the social and the cultural part which is a huge and very important part of village building uh or any community. land regeneration as I spoke about before very important for us and governance and stewardship um which is

also the piece that is uh making us quite unique. So yeah, let's start with the three bodies um that make up uh what TDF is. Um and it's the three bodies that are AASA, closer and TDF. And it's hard to talk about one without the other. And I will share more in detail about these three bodies. But um basically uh TDF is the as I mentioned before the prototype in Portugal the the first village that we are building but it comes with a much bigger vision.

There was always this vision to expand. There's always been this um vision to have a mission that is much bigger than 25 hectares of land in Portugal. And that's where AASA comes in. So, AASA is a is a Swiss nonprofit association that was also set up by Sam and Annie um back in I think 2021. And this is the association that holds the land um and holds holds TDF and also at this point also holds closer our technology. Um it was set up in Switzerland because this is the place that it recognizes the legal structure that we were trying to build and through AASA we are able to tokenize uh the

project and so the the entity that is within TDF our Portuguese company is actually 100% held by OASA um and then we have closer which is our technology it's our operating system that has um individually and uniquely built uh by Sam and now a a bigger development team. Um and this has been uniquely designed to support uh villages and it's not just a booking system, it's also our governance system. It's how we vote. Uh everything has at this point been built into the closer platform. Um that allows us to run smoothly day-to-day, take

bookings, run events, but also run governance um marketing and every week really it's being updated and um to have more and more tools that can support us um and yeah, it's also a prototype that we are looking to expand into other villages and co-working spaces. So these are the three entities um that I want to share with you. And the reason we have these is really about designing for resilience because we know too often that communities can fail, people can fall out, conflicts can happen. Um and what can be very much at risk in that that case uh is the land

and is the the project itself. And we wanted to create a system that is not held by hello [laughter] that is not held by um yeah a couple of founders um and is actually more resilient to whatever can happen in the future and for us what is the most important piece is that the land itself is um is held and is protected. So it's designed in this way that AASA holds the land and the buildings under its constitution. That means that OASA is um implementing its own rules around land regeneration and it means that nothing can really pass that constitution. So um

moving forward for generations ahead and we're thinking about many many generations ahead that land will stay in inside of AASA and through that AASA will protect the land from any uh big development from any destructive um uh ideas. Um, and then we have the the company as I mentioned before and Solidoro, which is a local Portuguese uh company that we use to just run uh operate at the moment, but also it's our development company to actually be able to build out uh real estate. So, we actually sign up all our contracts and do all of our

legal pieces for that in Portugal with a Portuguese company. Um and then we have the the software um that is also then now has been moved into OASA. It's also 100% owned by OASA. Um and then the citizens DAO itself which is what governs the community. Um yeah, this means that all the profit is is always um flowing back into AASA and therefore it's always flowing back into regeneration because AASA's mission is to um regenerate 100,000 hectares. That is the bigger goal of AASA. So the 25 hectares of TDF is like just us getting

started and AASA actually has this bigger goal of being able to um protect 100,000 hectares. And so yeah, if um if as TDF grows and um and becomes more um economically viable and is able to hold itself, we're able to take the the money that is coming through the the community and it goes into AASA and we're able to um yeah continue to regenerate land. So if TDF starts to make profit in the future, we can actually use that profit to to buy more land to build more projects to

regenerate more. Um yeah, hello. So let's talk about technology, which is um yeah, a big piece for for this crowd. I feel that um I think I've many people have been asking me about closer and about the token. Um and so this is the part that makes TDF I think very uh unique in that we are a tokenized village. We are a tokenized project. Um this is done with an access token and we have also been building in these different mechanisms of proof of sweat, proof of presence. Um

and closer is being developed to support the governance of this project. And yeah, this is something that we have been trying and testing for three years. And it's not perfect and it hasn't been perfect along the way. Um and that's why we're yeah, constantly um experimenting purposely to be able to improve it and um figure it out along the way. So the token itself right now is um €266 nearly €267.

It opened at €222 in 2021. Um for those of you that are interested, it's on Cello on the blockchain and um it is slow it is basically on a bonding curve right now. So every time that you buy a TDF token or every time a TDF token is sold, the price is slowly going up on a bonding curve. Um so when you log into the TDF website, you can anyone can buy a token. Uh we've made it easier and easier along the way.

At this point, we are you're able to um go onto the TDF website and buy a token uh without having much knowledge of web 3. you can literally put in your bank details and we are um yeah doing all the web 3 work in the back end. So it's really giving that opportunity for people that don't have much knowledge around crypto web 3 to be able to interact with the utility token. Um and this token is a utility token. So what does it give you? One token equals one night stay for the rest of your life. And so if you buy for example 30 tokens um which would give you then one month 30 nights you would be able to

come to TDF and use those 30 tokens every year. Um so you are initially investing putting money in and and financially supporting the project because the token is our fundraising mechanism. Um and then by buying the token you are able to then come and access TDF participate and become part of the community. Um so the TDF token is held in your wallet like any other crypto. Um it is the capital that pays for our construction and on top of the the token itself um anyone can own a token in their in their wallet. You can go online and buy them.

Um, but then there's the next step of actually showing up at TDF. So, if you come and use your token at TDF, you will then be able to receive uh presence. Um, and if you come and work at TDF and you receive tokens for work, which is also a possibility, you're able to receive uh sweat. And these are weights that are added to the token. and so let me just catch what I have. [laughter] and so the tokens themselves are not just access to TDF, they're also our our governance mechanism. So in order to um be part of the governance, you hold

tokens, which means if you want to vote on a proposal, you can use your tokens to vote within the governance of our project. And the way these um voting weights work is that they allow um more fairness in the vote. So basically if you are voting if you are buying 60 tokens for example you have the money to financially buy those tokens and you hold 60 tokens but at the same time you actually come and use your tokens like you don't spend time at TDF and you've never worked for the project and you haven't really given much energy or time into the project it's likely that your

60 tokens actually weigh a lot less than someone who's come and done a residency for a month and owned five tokens and spent has spent like two months at TDF and is putting the work in. Right? So, uh money does not equal power essentially in this in this whole um mechanism and it me is also about engaging people to stay connected to CDF and keep coming back. So, there's also a decay um a 10% decay on the the sweat. So it's it the weight of the sweat gradually increases over time. So it's not that if you come into the project in the beginning and you work really hard in the beginning and then you disappear for 5 years, your sweat is also slowly

decaying. So it's also just incentivizing people to be uh participatory and that's that's the point, right? We're a community and we want people to participate and that's what we we need. Um and so this is how it's been built to support this. Um these are the layers that we have. So you have the token which is on Cello that gives you one night per year for the rest of your life. You have the proof of presence um which is onchain so that like every time you come and book and stay that that proof of presence occurs. Um and then we have our governance proposals that are happening on closer. Um and if you hold tokens then you're able to vote on those

proposals. Um and then we have closer as well for everything else the bookings the roles and directory and as I mentioned before the token is um on a bonding curve. So for every token sold it's slowly going up um and so this will keep increasing as the token sales are also increasing um year by year. So when we launched in 2022, um I guess what we we had this kind of idea, we thought it was amazing. We were so excited to bring it to the world. We believed that like we were going to launch this token. Um there was a big party in Berlin in Mo and everyone was

like, "Yeah, the token's coming out and we're going to like fund this project in a year and it's going to be amazing." And the reality was is that that didn't happen. Um yeah, the tokconomics is actually a very new [clears throat] it's still a very new concept for many people. or the web 3 part can also be um a barrier for many people and actually yeah the idea that this token was suddenly going to sell out when we look back now is yeah it didn't go as we planned and what has actually happened is that the token has become um slow more slowly but more and more um purchased over the last few years

basically every year every month we're seeing this increase in token sales, especially in the last six months to a year. Um, and we're realizing, yeah, that this this is going to take time. This is not going to sell out overnight. And that's been one of our lessons learned. Um, yeah, we in 2022 when we launched the token, we also had like paid a really expensive marketing company to do a big campaign for us. It was like this idea of being able to just sell the token through marketing campaigns and then also that big learning in realizing that TDF is a community and actually like it needs to be really felt and it is it is

true that we do sell tokens online to people that have never been to TDF. that is happening um often and and it's amazing when that happens, but for many people it is also like the need to go and like feel the project and to feel the community before like actually being able to buy in. And so this is what we're experiencing. Um yeah, reality versus expectations the the winds of technology. Um yeah, I mean what's been built is pretty genius if you I say so myself. I think that the presence and the sweat um is a really fair mechanism that is uh really supporting um yeah supporting the

governance protocol. Um we used to use a lot of uh external tools um different web 3 tools for um the for the governance pro protocols. So we used to use like snapshot for uh voting and we used to use like different um yeah different programs for uh for where we would have discussions and it was also like very confusing and hard for people to engage and so that really gave us that um that push to actually build out closer in a way that it incorporates all of the governance structure within the the closer platform. So that's been um definitely supportive in the engagement of the governance and um and so yeah now the

whole kind of governance stack runs on closer and it makes it makes it much easier for even a citizen that is not very techminded to be able to go on it's you're going onto the website it's forward/governance you can see the proposal you just type your comments there you press vote it's all very simple and easy So we've really been trying to like build the the technologies um out so that they are accessible for the diversity of people that we have uh within the citizenship because there is that diversity from uh yeah some hacker coder that is like knows everything about tokens to some 55year-old artist that lives in Paris that's has no idea.

And so we really have to like um yeah to be there to support to support everybody to be able to engage with this because it's needed right if you want to be part of this project you need to participate through this governance in this in this way. Um, we also use technology um to support the social aspect. And when TDF was first, um, dreamt up back in 2021, um, Sam and Annie and a lot of the kind of first people coming in in the very beginning, they wrote something called a pink paper, which is still accessible on our website. You can download it and have a look. Um, because it's really

it's a really amazing document. It's like this um yeah it's it's quite a simple I think it's just like a whatever Google document um but it holds so much information about the first vision um of TDF. It holds like um what the first agreements essentially of um of the community, how they wanted to be governed, how um uh how what kind of cultural events would be held, uh what are the principles, what are the values, all of these pieces. And so over time, that pink paper has now been migrated over to what we call the game guide. Um this is currently on GitHub and it's a working

document. um that now holds our kind of source of truth, let's say. And so we uh in the citizens week about two years ago, I think it was, we sat down and worked through a lot of topics, um yeah, a lot of social topics around like okay like alcohol use in the community, what is the PET protocol, you know, all the all the things you really need to get uh get a deep understanding of. Um, how do we what about religion? How is it expressed or how is it not? Like what are the agreements around what we want in the space? What we don't? Like there's all of these pieces that have to be agreed on because if they're left

unsaid, this is where conflict can arise. This is where we can um, yeah, find the chaos. So the game guide became the source of truth that we have that outlines our values, our principles, our agreements. um how to navigate the space um how the governance system works um how the token works and then that stays as a source of truth moving forward basically and the the game guide itself at this stage now can only be changed by the DAO. So if we want to make a new uh suggestion about the way that TDF uh runs or about the values or some shifts that we want to make within the culture, it needs to run through the DAO

and then this document would be updated. And this is I guess a piece I would like to say around yeah building community and um and and speaking into that being a very important part and like documenting things. I think that's something that we have done very well over the last few years with the AASA white paper and the pink paper. Um, and now the game guide is like yeah using technology to also document things and have things really clear so that you always have that source of truth to come back to. Um um yeah some of the technology challenges uh I think I've mentioned a bit before but of course is the there is

a friction because of the web 3 sometimes with some of the people that are coming in um yeah people are engaged with the vision and um they want to come on board but they don't necessarily have any uh web 3 experience or they they they don't don't want to engage engage with it. Um and so that can be challenging the kind of handh holding and uh supporting people in. So um there's there has been and there still is a lot of labor of us for from our team of like helping people set up wallets and like doing all of the uh web 3 support basically. um which right now is basically held by the community and

that's great that we do have more and more people supporting us in that. Um but it is still a friction point and uh we're just trying to make it easier and easier. and then yeah technology takes time also things take time and um close there has been a prototype that has is being constantly improved but some of the things that we had written in the vision in the white paper took time for example like proof of sweat um actually only went live like a few months ago um and it's great now it's working and it it means that now like the the governance protocols are working in and how they

are supposed to be. But it's just the reality of um also the the reality of a founder who is also the tech developer um trying to do all the things at once. And that's um that's also been part of I think Sam's journey of like being part of the the the vision the visioner the visionary of the project and also being one of the main developers of like a lot of um technology that is uh sometimes complex and um it takes a lot. For those of you that are working in tech, you understand like how much it takes to like develop programming. Um, and from the beginning,

we've just been such a small team. So, closer for the first few years was SAM. And now slowly we're able to hire more developers. Um, and expand closer. But yeah, in the beginning it's it was a lot to be building technology at the same time as building community and also building biopools. So um yeah we were trying to do it all or we were doing it all. Um and now let's talk about architecture. Let's check the time also. How am I doing? Need to move a bit faster. Um so we've had the plans approved for the co-l livingiving since 2022 and the plan

is to build uh 13 suites and four studios. um the maker space which is already there an industrial kitchen, greenhouse, co-working, garden, cafe, natural pool, all of this has been approved by the the local uh municipality um which is a huge win in Portugal. Um where it is notoriously hard to build. Um and Crew Atellier are are architects and engineers that are really like family at this point. In fact, Sam was living with them uh years ago before before um coming to TDF into the land.

And so there is like a really strong partnership with them and that's been really important for us because it hasn't been smooth. Um we thought that we would build this out from 2022. When we got the planning permission, then we'd start building. Um and it didn't go that way. So yeah, having these architects that are really by our side and really believing in the mission with us has been a huge support. Um, and this is the plans for the co-l livingiving. So these are the two the two uh buildings, the chicken factory buildings. So this building over here is actually something that we've been self- renovating. So this has already been partially built. We've built the bar.

Uh, this is a co-working. We've built the event space. It's got new windows. It's about to get a new roof. Um, and then we have over here the the uh apartments like the the co-l livingiving piece with a central kitchen and living. And we're going to have four artist studios as well. So the plan is to have like a music studio, maybe a pottery studio, photography, digital art, painting. Um and so this is the the vision that we are currently working on and hoping that we can start to build uh in the beginning of next year.

Um bring that later. And this is gives you some insight into what has been built so far. Most of it by hand. We did have a contractor company to do some of the bigger pieces like the windows, the doors, the bopool. Um but yeah, we had in 2025 uh a few amazing carpenters join our team and we were able to really move forward with some of the construction on the land. Um so we have the the nursery cafe, the toilets, some of the infrastructure that got updated, the showers, incredible treehouse, uh the sauna of course, uh the mushroom farm, uh which is these two containers. This is now kind of under a hill and the event space. Um, so we're very we're

very proud of what we've built so far. Um, and yeah, the amazing people that have supported us. Some of the challenges have been um, yeah, like I mentioned before, the gap between getting the permission to build back in 2022 and then actually getting the capital. You know, the token sale launch didn't take, you know, didn't sell out and we didn't raise the the three million straight away. Who'd have thought? Um and so now it's uh it's kind of been a much slower um fundraising path. Um and so yeah, and this does put pressure on the project because planning permission doesn't stay forever. And so we do have deadlines that we have to

meet um on both the land acquisition and for the building. Um yeah, as always, finding trustable contractors very difficult I think all over the world. And I think yeah that's that's I think a big challenge for many many uh spaces and communities. It definitely was for us um in terms of the professional contractor teams. Um running events whilst also building has been also a challenge. Um and we'll continue if we stay open next year and and continue to keep constructing and running events. Um it's also part of the fun to be honest. [laughter] It's like yeah it's also part of it.

It's um it's all happening at once. Um and yeah, we are building it legally. We also are intentionally um building out TDF with the the permissions and the all of the um all of the planning and permits that we need. And so that also comes with yeah a lot uh a lot of bureaucracy and paperwork and yeah um headaches. So that is uh yeah that's part of it. So yeah having the approvals is one win having a plan is another but having the capital to build it and to build it is really the challenge.

um social and culture. So the roles of the people, the citizens process, who does the dishes and who doesn't. Um so these are different ways that you can be engaged with TDF. You can come as a visitor. You can come and just uh stay with us. You can come and pay for your stay or you can buy tokens and use your tokens to stay. Um you can attend an event. Uh you can come to our monthly land tour. You can also come and volunteer with us. It's a minimum one month. Um, and then you receive your accommodation in exchange for it's four hours a day, Monday to Friday. Um, and then we have residencies that are like full work exchange where you come and

stay for one to three months. And these are for specific projects for a skill exchange. Um, for example, like a resident gardener or a carpenter, um, a kitchen, a chef, there's an artist residency. Um so we have depending on the season there's different residencies available. We have stewards. Um the role of the steward has changed over the last few years and it keeps changing but it's always been the support system essentially. Um the stewards in the beginning were the people that were running the ground before we actually built up a team. It was just like Sam and Annie and the stewards. Um and then the stewards became uh educational, it

became an educational program where we actually had like four people come in for 12 weeks and do like a a structured educational program about how to build a village with us. Um which was actually very interesting and TA for example who is now really core part of our team came from one of those stewardships. So the idea of the stewardships is also to um educate and teach people that want to be able to um yeah create their own project or join join the team. Um and then we have our team members on the ground that are holding their own domain like Julia who's our build lead. um or Barra who's in the garden and the land and then the

directors of the the company right now of Ensiada which right now is me and Sam uh leading the vision and then on top of that as I mentioned before we have AASA as the um as the constitution and we haven't implemented it yet but we have a really I think beautiful um idea and vision is to actually bring in guardians into AASA um we even talked about um well being both a human guardian that is connected with an AI guardian for all of the different elements. For example, we could have like guardian of the water.

Um and so h bringing in uh maybe an elder or someone with a lot of knowledge around water retention and pairing them with an AI and having these guardians be part of the constitution and like u part of the the voices of the land essentially. So if someone makes a proposal um to dig another ball hole, AASU will al already come in as a constitution with with an opinion about that based on the data that it has on the land. Uh but also pairing that with these guardians that bring additional knowledge um into the into the decision process. Um so to become a citizen um there's these

different phases. So the first one is to um the cultural onboard boarding which is really about coming to TDF and spending time with us. It's just a minimum of two weeks. It's um it's it's a short enough time to commit to and it's long enough for us to like see any you know it's long enough for any uh yeah for for you to be able to show who you are let's say. Um then you have the the tokens. So to be become a to become a citizen, you need to buy 30 tokens. Um and then there is the vouching process.

So right now we asked um for 10% of the current citizen community to vouch you in. Um and that includes active team members on the ground that have actually spent time with you at TDF. Um, so that's the vouching process in um, and then there's like an engagement requirement every year that you come and spend two weeks a year at TDF, that you join, I think it's at least one of the um, the the community calls that we have every quarter. Um, and that you're upholding the agreements that that are that are signed as you become a citizen.

Um, and so that your duty is to be part of the governance as we mentioned before. um to be contributing to 4 hours of work when you're on site every week. So like yeah, getting your hands in the ground and being part of the um yeah the work load in in the community. Uh spending 15 14 days on the land per year. Um yeah, I mentioned this before and yeah the perks as well of like having the citizens channel. Um yeah being really yeah the the idea of the citizenship is that you are really becoming a voice of the community that you have your say in how how it's being developed. You can actually submit

proposals. So anyone with tokens can vote but only citizens can submit proposals. So just to for that clarity and so that's yeah where citizenship means you're you're more engaged and you have your say. Um yeah, the social architecture. So yeah, we have um we do have our principles and our agreements. Um when you make a booking on TDF, you actually sign these. Um our principles, a lot of them came originally from being inspired by Burning Man. So they we have things around like consent, uh gifting culture, um leave no trace, although we usually say leave a positive trace. Um so we

we're very inspired by the Burning Man principles and then we have others uh woven in. Um but yeah, every person that uh comes to stay at TDF agrees uh digitally to abide by these principles and these agreements. Um and then we have like I mentioned before the game guide which is our source of truth around this topic. Um conflict resolution of course is is a is a big part of this. Um we we basically believe to try to um yeah also use ways of preventing conflict and that's you can't really prevent conflict but what I mean by that is like um actively implementing tools into the space that uh support people in terms of how we relate and how

we communicate. So having regular NBC workshops for example even for the volunteers that come and visit. Um having weekly sharing circles. Um having monthly we used to call them whining Wednesdays circles with the team where they get to just come and like [laughter and gasps] these are so important. Um and so yeah, making these spaces for people to be able to like say their frustrations or um yeah, creating giving people the tools that they're that they're able to learn how to live in community because it's not easy and of course conflict is going to arise.

That's inevitable. Um and it's really about how we meet each other in that. And sometimes we can learn the tools to do that for ourselves. um and we're trying to support people to learn and and and um grow in that. But at the same time, we also need protocols to support people when they can't do it themselves. So, we also have um we have protocols and structures for um for mediation, for example, um especially with our team and the people that are more core to TDF. Um we have a conflict resolution protocol that's based on MVC um that currently got put through the DAO as an agreement through the DAO of like this is how we will um yeah work with with any conflict

that arises within the within the uh citizens within the DAO and within the core team. Um but yeah for me I my opinion on this is like how like how do we focus on giving people more and more tools to just so that they can also support themselves. Um the rituals that are very important with any community as they are through through centuries. Um yeah like for us these rituals are things like sharing circles um meal circles. We come together in in a circle before every meal. Um transformation and play, dressing up and dancing together, fireside chats, like being around the

fire, which is just like this such innate human thing that we um that makes us feel connected. Um grief circles, like making circles specifically for people to be able to explore and express these topics that we don't always have the opportunity to do in our society. um land tours and like connection with the land, silent mornings sometimes um and standup which is our like morning circle of like getting everyone together. So having these like anchors that happen every week, some of these for us are like weekly. So it's like Tuesday sharing circle, Friday um feedback circle, Sunday sauna, um every Monday, every day at 9:00 am standup. So people

have these anchors that happen every week that they can drop into. And um I think this is so important for the kind of social architecture of any project. Make space for it because if you don't make space for it, you're going to be taking a lot of time dealing with the tears and the anger and the emotions. So make space that one hour a week to sit in circle and encourage you cannot force encourage your people to come because um people will also have resistance and say I don't want to do a sharing circle but it's like they're so important for us to be able to um yeah live together in harmony and then wellness and embodiment practices and rest and yeah saunas and

beach days because there's always things to do there's always work to do and um I speak for myself being a a workaholic and recovering workaholic trying to and it's it's um we have to really like learn to take care of ourselves and our own boundaries when we're living in in community in space where yeah um it's very easy to just be always in the social and um to be always engaging in the mission but we have to take time for ourselves. So we have to take time to rest. Um yeah, otherwise our body will make us.

yeah, the locals. Um so this is Senñor Joay. He shows up every day pretty much to come and complain about what we do. Uh he used to work in the chicken factory um years and years ago. I don't know how old he is now. I think he's about 70 something. and he was one of the workers in the chicken factory. So, he's known this place all his life. He was born in Abella. He says he's never left Abella, which not sure about that, but he's there every day. Um, alongside Maria Fernandez, who was the previous owner who comes by and brings us like her lemongrass tea. Um, and we make time to go down to Cafe Matosh and drink coffee with the locals and chat to them.

And we buy our olive from the olive press. Um and we have been yeah hosting parties for the locals over the last few years uh doing our community markets. So we're trying to encourage more locals to come and visit TDF. And yeah, I'd say this this is a part that has to taken years and is an ongoing project of like social integration um local integration um which no technology can help when you're yeah maybe apart from maybe Google translate um learning the language is so important and um yeah over the last year we've been really encouraging our team. We got a we got a Portuguese teacher at TDF coming once a

week and learning the language so that when Senior Jose shows up that we can actually have conversations with him and this is also a big important piece. So social challenges um for TDF has been a high turnover of people because we have quite open doors. The volunteers come once a month. The residents uh so every season there's new there's new faces and the team itself is also like shifting based on the residencies. Um the events can have up to a hundred people over a week. So then there's this like huge influx of people in your home and it it can be really challenging for the people that are are there more rooted to then have this whirlwind of people around and

um yeah that is a challenge for us. Um yeah, decision-m on the ground um has been challenging when leadership carries true responsibility and what I mean by that is that we have our our team leads like Julia our carpenter or um Barer our land lead um we have on the ground actually in terms of governance we actually work with docy in a way and by that I mean that like as the people that hold the lead positions have that position because they are are the experts in the field. You know, they have we've hired them as they are they've come in because they we trust them that they know what they're doing

and so we are trying to give them as much agency as possible to make decisions for themselves. So, um yeah, the directors, me and Sam can like support with budgets. Okay, this is how much you can spend this season and um and like and this is the the road map, the directors, the executive road map for the year. this is the plans of what we're going to build and what we're going to do this season. But then the dayto-day on the ground of like what Bar decides to plant or um yeah his workflow or like what he spends his budget on is his decision. Um so we're trying to do that as much as possible and like encourage people to to take the the leadership in that but at the same time that can come into

conflict because in the end right now as our structure is um and it is shifting and transforming right now is that still all of that responsibility is still on the shoulders of Sam and myself also as a director of NCAA like there's kind of Yeah. Then there's like the legal responsibility um and there's the actual the financial responsibility of the financial health of the project. So yes, I want to give our build lead agency to make decisions, but then I might have to override her her wish, her like absolute wish to build this thing because like I can oversee that budget and that's where we can get into also this um yeah um the challenges and socially around around

leadership and power and it's um yeah where we've we've been more challenged on the ground more recently. Um yeah, volunteers as as helpful and fresh energy that they bring to the project can also be very emotionally um labor can take a lot require a lot of care take a lot of energy. So um yeah it's it's both sides. It's also wonderful to have fresh energy coming into the project and have so many people coming and supporting um the outboarding. Nobody plans uh this but um yeah it's never easy. We do have an outboarding process as well. Um you are vouched into TDF. You can also be

vouched out. Um we also have like just very clear boundaries around like um breaches that go against our like values for example. So, someone can be a citizen and hold a lot of tokens and if they come into TDF and start screaming hobophobic um slurs, then they're just going to be outboarded very quickly because they're just they're they're going against the values. So, there's just like there is some there's some like strong boundaries around this and like the the values that we uphold. Um yeah, with consent for example, we've had like a three strike um process basically that you can have like yellow flag yellow flag well yellow flag yellow

flag yellow flag can lead to like also out and also then red flag could lead to also um outboarding. So there are some cases where it's just like non-negotiable that this is not this is not okay and that that person needs to leave. It has happened but it's rare. It is rare. We've had um yeah within the citizens we've had one person that has been um outboarded quickly and that was because of just and it was just very clear that that the the values were not aligned through um their speech. But it's not easy. Um and yeah and then of course burnout and burnout and burnout and yeah [gasps]

founders the founders and the team and the stewards and yeah the people that are like committing longer term. Yeah this is a common story across all projects and I don't need to speak that much about it. Um, I think that, yeah, we're also, yeah, through h Sam's health right now, like taking a break and, uh, taking a step back. And that's been like, as challenging as it is. and um how much of a situation it is. It's also like given us this opportunity to step back from TDF and allow other people to step up and like to see for me personally anyway to see like where I

was giving too much and that actually like I didn't need to do that like there are other people that can take this role that actually like so for me this process has also been a lot about letting go and and um making space for other people to be able to step in but like finding this way to like create more equal distribution ution is so so important across the projects. Um and taking care of the people. Yeah. people before project which is really hard when the project mission is like so strong and amazing and we are like we are all so motivated because we are like seeing the world and we're like this is this has an answer and like we're so motivated to go towards that that we can

forget about our own like health and um each other and the yeah the relational piece. Um so yeah yeah yeah this is the a big big challenge and I could talk for hours about this um but yeah intentional communities are micro societies in a way um we don't escape the shadows of the outside world we often magnify them so everything that's happening out there in the big big world can happen and be there in the space as well and it's um what we have is an opportunity to really work with it and to to um address these things that are coming up to have these conversations and that's actually the

beauty of it. Um we can't solve all the answers like um but we can work together to to to come up with ideas and try to transform um yeah land regeneration. I feel like oh I'm really over time so let's go quickly. So um we have 25 hectares but OASA is um is already putting down the the rules of saying that we can only develop 5% of the land. Um so TDF will only have 5% of its land uh used for real estate development 45% for agriculture and um production food

forests and markets and then 50% which would be rewalded permanently. Um, and so this cannot change. So if a citizen comes in and has an a dream about putting uh a race course on the expansion land, of course is going to come in firm with a a no because that's it's going already against the constitution around like our commitment to reing just as a silly example. But um this is a beautiful land plan done by Mika and Author. And um it shows both some pieces that have been already built and also the vision. Um and so yeah, the market garden, the food forest, this has all been planted, the reforestation up here. We've built the tree houses. We've

built this water temple. We've dug this lake. We've got the sauna up here. Um the yurt is here. Yeah, we've got like a berry forest here with the chestnuts. We've got uh all of this. The bopool has been built. The mushroom farm has been built. This is being renovated. So, there's a lot happening. And the future plans are as soon as we acquire the land, we will do the water works step one. So, water retention, this big lake will be built, the swailes will be put in. Um this is the river that runs through the land uh right now in the winter time. And I think long-term goal, regeneration goal is to try to bring the water back to the

land. Um, and so yeah, the the water retention on this side will still be done. And this this will be along the water retention alongside maybe some pathways for humans to walk and sit and meditate is is the the extent of what we will do on this outside land. And then there will be works to rewing mean there's different opinions on that but yeah that's something that we'll work through um with the experts and um so yeah a lot of this land will be left free and wild to roam and then like with many with permaculture principles that you have this kind of central zones where you have more activity. So human

activity in the center here this is going to be the most busy place. So, this is going to be your co your co-working nomads and uh hanging out by the pool and um making music and then growing food. And then as you get out, you're going to um yeah, some wellness spaces. And then up here we have the the co- livingiving. So, we also have the permits to build 23 houses, 10 small ones on the land, which are these ones that you see. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. So they they are 50 square meter houses. This is the maximum we can build. Um and

they are designed to be yeah more permanent homes. So the first part of the vision is the co-l livingiving space of TDF. Um 13 suites that are for people that want to come and be like staying one to three months a year. But if you're looking to actually live at TDF longer, then um you would have this possibility to yeah be in one of these houses. And then down the road off the map, we actually have like a whole other area down here. There is um an urbanizable plot where we can build 13 town houses, 140 square meters. Um so yeah, these are our future plans. Like we're focusing on the co-l livingiving right now.

Um but yeah, a lot of work has been done in the reg the regeneration. Um yeah, we now can hold 1.5 meters of water milliliters of liters of water um with all of our swelles and ponds and bopool water infrastructure and we've actually like through data been able to see that the water table is increasing uh from 20 m to up to 3 m which is um very important when you're growing small trees. Um so this means that the the higher the water table is is growing this means that our trees little trees are able to start to feed themselves which means we don't need to we don't need to feed them anymore. So um yeah everything is working as an ecosystem

and water is a very important part. Um yeah 4,000 trees planted um 65 plus species in the food forest. We had a wonderful uh bird uh lover come last year and he documented 40 species on the land. Um we're using technology to also monitor. So this is Sam taking water samples for simplex DNA. Um and basically we're testing the water and every six months uh we're sending the water off to a lab and through simplex DNA they are able to tell us every species is interacting with our land. So we have a baseline from the first one we

did which is about a year ago and the plan is to keep doing this every year collecting the data um because we do believe things are moving forward like from carbon credits to the future which would be biodiversity credits and proof of life and we want to have this data available to show um yeah to really be able to to give the numbers and show the work that we're doing in terms of regeneration of course um also registering the trees And um yeah uh and with the carbon credits um yeah so that we've we've noticed uh the land is getting wetter. It is getting more diverse. We are seeing more animals on the land. Um our tallest tree

is now nearly 8 mters. Um yeah and we are um working to to have this land protected for future generations. and the challenge is is that we are in alent and it's a hard climate and it's getting harder year by year. We have um drought years where we have hardly any water in the summer. Um, we say we planted 4,000 trees, but actually our survival rate is 50%. Which is not actually that bad. But the reality of regeneration is it's it's hard. It's really really hard. If you haven't read Sam's uh note on regeneration, I think it's on his LinkedIn and Substack, I

really urge you to read that because it's really tells a deeper story of um yeah the labor and the intensity of it what it takes. Um you saw the the photos at the beginning of the in the slides that it's really like this these things take time. Um and nature has its own timeline, right? Um but we do believe that if we continue that work that in 30 years time TDF will be an oasis and we will be able to be an example for the for the community around and that's yeah that's the work that we are doing um yeah and so regeneration to us means more

life simply simple as that quality quantity and diversity um I'm going really over I'm Seeing like maybe a time check for Max, we have to find another spot. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay. So, I finish at 12:30 and then we do questions. Okay. Cool. So, this is the last the last piece. Um, so governance and stewardship. Um, so yeah, we're building this decentralized system. It's based on proof of presence, proof of sweat, uh, and not proof of your bank balance. So, I already talked

about that earlier, like how we're using these mechanisms to create, uh, fairer voting systems. Um, and so then we have these three layers of authority. So, we have AASO that I've spoken about a lot that has this uh, yeah, this constitu constitutional layer that um, is um, yeah, is really independent of DA. it actually just answers to it's it's the voice of the land and then we have the DAO um and the DAO is the citizens and the token holders um and they have a say in the master plan changes so that beautiful plan that I showed um that has been passed through the DAO and from that point then if anything changes on that plan it needs to go through the DAO

um so they the DAO does not get a say on what color we paint the kitchen right so like dayto-day on the around. We are not running every decision through the DAO. Um but the DAO is really there as an authority to make decisions on like major changes in the project and the vision of the project. Um as well as electing the team. If the DAO doesn't like what me and Sam are doing, then the DAO also has that possibility to reelect. Um they have to find somebody to do to take that role. But it's um yeah the DAO is there to to really um to guide the the future vision of the of the project and then we have the team on the ground. Um so with me and Sam as the directors and then our team leads like I

said we really like holding our own domains and making uh making also decisions um based on the executive road map that is and based on the plan that has been approved by the DAO. Um so when it comes to decision flow it's like flow it's like this. So the a citizen can make a proposal. It goes onto the website under forward/governance closer. Um everyone comments on it. We have a discussion, a digital discussion. Um the author of that proposal then refineses it. Uh taking in all of the comments and then it goes to vote. um anyone with a token can vote and then OASA comes in and

checks it and says like based on the um the constitution and the the principles of the land this passes or it doesn't or this is this is the input from OAS this is done through AI um and then if it passes then it goes to the executive team to execute and then at the end of the year the exe the executive team has to file a report an end ofear report and that is reviewed by the Dow. So we're coming back to the DAO and saying this is what we did this year. This is the money that we spent. This is the health of the company. This is and so the DAO uh can review this.

And so this is the decision flow that happens. Um yeah, what are the wins? Um yeah, I think one of the biggest wins and the reasons why this has been developed is about um taking people out of hours and hours of circles and discussions and consensus and like yeah trying to make a hund get a 100 people to make a decision together um is exhausting and time inensive. And what we wanted to do is actually give that time back to humans to be able to connect and be in nature. So we're trying to use technology to really support the governance protocol to to

support the decision- making to be to be faster um to be really fair through these different weight mechanisms um and to like yeah try to avoid this um this kind of long- winded ways of making decisions that are often um not really equally weighted anyway. Um the challenges um which I mentioned before is that sometimes yeah technology can feel inaccessible. Um people can be a bit more like less engaged because it's online and um yeah the online chat for some people is not as engaging as doing it in person. We do however have

our citizens gathering every year and that is a space where we we get together in real life and we can have these discussions and we can have those circles where we talk about things but but still the the protocol is there online. Um yeah the utility token it it's like I mentioned before the fundraising is is slower than we imagined. Um yeah we have the protocol written of like how it works but then in in reality of how it's being implemented for example the sweat the sweat and the presence were um deployed much later so like it's still like I said it's been in this prototyping space where we were voting but actually the the sweat and the protocol proof of present wasn't live

yet um and now it is and now we can keep testing it and so um yeah and then Dow on paper democracy in the mud um is kind of what I talked about earlier is just that then on the ground it's um yeah we're not using the DAO for the decisions on the ground and so we have this duocy um way of decision- making um but it also comes with this um the reality of the leadership still holding a lot of responsibility um so yeah governance and stewardship one thing I wanted to share with you which Sam says a lot which I has always like really touched me is that like in in Roman law um ownership was defined um as

the absolute right to use, abuse or destroy. That could be uh property, that could be a slave, that could be a human. Um and then what we're trying to do is right now is shift the mindset from people to stewardship. And stewardship is defined as the duty to care, nurture, and protect. Um and this is a huge mind shift for people in our society when also like we are being told that success equals property ownership, wealth, um this kind of individual mindset that like the more things you have make you um yeah more successful. And we're trying to actually shift that completely and um bring people into this mindset of like you can have so much more wealth

through this through this notion of stewardship when you have suddenly 25 hectares of land to play on with other humans when you can have food from the garden like wealth comes in different ways right and so it's like you you won't maybe yeah you and I'll speak for myself comes from that like with my parents for many years putting pressure on that like like you need to put things in place and like buy a property and that you know to be able to um uh secure yourself in this world and actually like having to really like see no that isn't going to make me happy because like living in that way isn't going to make me happy like I don't want to move towards this individual box. I don't

want to put everything I have into a white box. Uh I want to live on land. I want to I want I want space. I want humans. And through the stewardship model, we can we can have uh so much more to share. Um and so yeah, but it is it's definitely a mindset shift for so many people. Um so yeah, the fundraising and where we're at right now. Um I don't have it in these slides, but like we have raised like 1.2 million over the last five years. So, a lot of money and resources has already gone into TDF. Um, and now we're in this new point of uh

fundraising. We have raised uh this season 250K um which is going to be to acquire the buildings from Sam's name that they this buildings have been in Sam's name for the last few years to finally remove the buildings into Aniada and into the commons. So this is a huge win. Like this is um very exciting for the community, but it's also it's also answering to Sam's wish after many years of carrying that responsibility. As I mentioned before, like it's easy to try to give the decisions to other people, but if it sits on one person's shoulders legally, it's very difficult. So it's also been Sam's wish to like have that released from his shoulders and we

finally able to say yes, okay, we are going to buy the buildings. the buildings will be put into Ensiada. Um, this unlocks uh assets for us because the the um the buildings are acquiring uh they're going up in value especially because we're putting more works into them. So, um this is going to unlock assets for us uh within the the company and hopefully this is going to unlock more funding avenues such as construction loans if we need. On top of that, we know we need some capital to actually start the build off. Um, so we've been raising, we have a goal of 300k to raise um in order to be able to kick off the co-l livingiving and also then that alongside potential bank um

bank loans and this is what we've been using like this is the what uh we have been fundraising on artisan with and that's been an amazing support system for us over the last season. Um so I think this 300k that we uh have aim I think we are there maybe nearly nearly pretty much which is really amazing. Um so yeah through the artisan platform we've been able to really like uh accelerate our fundraising. Um and this means that we it looks like we can start the build next year which is very very exciting. Um we're currently raising 100k to fix a leaking roof as I mentioned before. Um this is something

more urgent that me and Tanya are working on right now. And then um we have in the pipeline the 560 for the land acquisition. Um but these are our goals to hit and everything else we see to be uh financed through the bank loans and then over time back to the initial mechanism which is the tokens. So like like I said the ideal would have been that we sell out of the tokens and that that funds the project as as planned but as it's not happening as fast as we wish we're using other mechanisms to fund raise and then over time those token sales will then bring back capital into the into the project. Um yeah five things that I would tell past

us. So yeah, uh for the land I would say yeah to to make sure that you have the water before like planting the trees and like just really prioritize water when it comes to land restoration if you're in a place like Alentasure as we are. Um culture like don't think humans will figure it out. Um we do need structures and agreements. So, it's really nice idea to think that we can just get together and live together in community. Um, and that everyone's really cool and like everyone's really mature. We're going to be fine. No, we need structures. We need agreements. Um, something to to hold us in. And, um, I'd really advise to like, yeah, get clear on that right at the beginning and use

documentation um, to to actually have that that source of truth. Um, technology. um don't go and try to build a whole uh uh software alongside building a community. Um Sam's been doing that for you. So if you're um looking for technology to support your community space like we have closer that has been like I said prototype for many years and we're now on on the next stage of um actually putting that out to other villages and co-working spaces. So um yeah, don't underestimate how much work is in the development and the technology side alongside all the other things that are going to need your attention as you

go on this journey. If you go on this journey, um yeah, ownership, yeah, getting the assets into the entity on day one with equal investors. I think for Sam um it was amazing that he was able to to do that in the beginning to like put down um capital to be able to secure the buildings for the commons but as I've talked about it's like it really the effect of that was um really having too much weight on one person's shoulders and it just shouldn't be that way when we're trying to build a commons. So like having that equal distribution from the beginning if you're looking at starting a project I think is so important. Um and then yeah building yeah hire slowly make sure you

find people that you trust and um just build within your own capacity like don't try to like rush things and um yeah plan for the worst and hope for the best. [laughter and gasps] Um yeah, being optimistic like we I well Sam is incredibly optimistic and it's one of his amazing traits. Um it's important for for being visionary. Um it's important to be optimistic and yet also like yeah planning for all the things that can can go wrong ahead. Um yeah, villages don't pop up. Uh they take years of dedication to build and grow. Um, don't do it alone and make sure the weight is distributed from the start. Take breaks, learn to let go, and

prioritize the humans before the project. Stay placeful and have fun along the way. Those are my little words of advice to the value of the commons and to anyone that is um starting this journey or wishing to build something for themselves. Um and yeah, the free practical doors in my invitation to you uh today is that um yeah, if you're looking for technology to to uh support and operate your community space, whether it's a co-l livingiving or a future village, then please come talk to us about Closer because yeah, we really want to put this out there and to create a network of villages that are using Closer around the world. Um, and there's so much more to that technology like

ideas around passports and like how do we how do we move between communities and um, yeah, it's like really something that is starting to really take off right now. I'm very excited about um AAS's village fund um has just launched on artisan and basically we have um 100k 110 120,000 euros in that fund and it's specifically for 10 villages um that are that are willing to um yeah to to work alongside OAS there are some specific um pieces that you need you need to have land already, you need to have at least

seven people um ready within that community holding it together. Um and yeah, you need to be willing to to work under the the constitution the values of AASA around land regeneration. So if you're interested in that, you can check out the fund on artisan and come and speak to us about it too. Um and yeah, TDF is open. We're open for more citizens. Um we have citizens week already starting next week on the 12th. Um, and yeah, we're we're inviting you to come and visit us whenever you can. We're open from September to November this year. Um, yeah, that is all.

[applause] Thank you. So, we can open up to questions or do we have time? >> Yes. Uh first off, thank you for this wonderful presentation. >> Um great to catch up on some things. I have a ton of questions. Uh but I think we also have the more meta question of how do we go about uh uh time? Kitchen says they still need some time at least until 1, but we're now at 12:30 and Maxim would also like to present and I'm not quite sure how to

wrap that all into uh coherence 15 minutes Q&A and Maxim would you be okay with doing your session throughout lunch? I don't really see another way. Either we postpone it, but that creates other problems. It could be an afternoon session or it could be a lunch session. Then we do it after lunch.

>> Is that okay? Yeah. Because I think we will have a lot of Yeah. I I I can spend the 15 minutes with questions. >> I'm sorry. >> What time? >> 2:30. I Okay, then I suggest we keep it 2:30. You You will still be here for 2:30 till 3.

question. >> Okay, let's start with a Q&A. Then we see once the questions down, we see if we still have time for presentation before lunch, otherwise after. But yeah, I do think we need to give this uh conversation space and also yours. I think 30 minutes is tight. So questions I will try to keep a list in my mind. Uh once I see you, you don't have to keep on raising your hand.

I want to just also just pass this around as a little gift so we can for people if they would like. >> Well, um thank you so much um your presentation and all the effort you uh you've put into that place and that I have actually two questions. Um you said uh the uh company uh owns the land now. Well, who owns the company? That that would be my first question. And the second one uh you said uh the body is

part of the governance and you presented this uh meritocracy. So where you earn merit and have more influence. So what is with ailing bodies and old bodies and young bodies and mentally and physically challenged bodies? Uh what about their influence? Thank you. Um yes, so the the land itself right now is on lease, so we don't own it yet. Um we need to buy it. So that's the 560K that we're raising. Um the plans to to buy

that is through the housing that we see as a quite a an obvious route because yeah we'll be selling houses and real estate and through that um we would be able to raise um the way we'd look at it is like raising 30% on top that goes towards the commons to buy the land. Um the buildings themselves right now are about to be transferred into NCSA which is our company, Portuguese company and NCIAD is 100% owned by AASA. So it's it's held within then the nonprofit um and the land itself will also be the same. So because it's physical land in Portugal, we have to use NCIADA as the as the to sign the papers and do the

legalities, but then the the the shares of NCAA are held in Oasa. Um and yeah, to answer your question on the the proof of sweat and proof of presence, um yeah, I think it's an interesting question. I actually no one's ever asked me that before. So it's kind of like I'm thinking about it and wondering. Um so the the sweat is weight. So it's it's basically it's an advantage to have it, right? I guess it's if you've worked on the project um then you have additional weight to your tokens. The work doesn't have to be uh physical labor. So I guess there are roots in through other types

of um work whether that's working on the tech or some kind of meta. Um there is also like through artists through art as well. So it's not necessarily physical labor. Um and but yeah I it's a good question. I don't have an answer for that and I'm I'm grateful for it because it's uh I think it's a really interesting thing to explore. Yeah. >> Before I pass the mic to cause, I want to mention that uh TDF was one of my case studies uh in my doctorate and I analyzed the tokconomics and uh their

implications two more than two years ago but quite in depth. Uh so there's about 15 pages of dense uh text in the library. I'm happy to show you where exactly and to discuss it as well if you want to go deep. Um, yeah, but like questions uh particularly of how legal structure, financial structure, all of that is is detailed there as well as well as in in your documentations. >> Hey, I was there in 2023 and it was just brilliant. I was coming from here and then I went to Susaloo which was like quite like a a round trip in a way. Uh, is is the same smart contract for like

the the token thingy or like I I forgot there was like a some bumps in the way at some point. I literally was at MOS hanging out with Charlie and I got the first I bought the first tokens. So, it's kind of funny. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I I lost track of everything because uh when I went to Susaloo, I was only I ended up being instead of like two weeks or one month that I I plan to be there uh one week or 10 days. So, I like I don't know. I just like got out of the loop entirely and like one thing is like what are the best ways to like kind of like re-engage if there's like you know a link as something or like come talk to us. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sure. And the other thing is like I remember at the time it was um if it got implemented like you could there was this idea like you could give the tokens to somebody else that will stay instead of you like at the time or something like that. Like for example this year I really cannot go. I will be very happy to run up to like one week and give it to somebody here if they want to go. Uh so yeah >> yeah the the token itself is tied to your identity. So unfortunately you cannot uh transfer the token to somebody else. Um we recently we launched in the last year or so we launched uh carrots um credits that are used in that there's just a nice uh another um another

tradable something that you can actually give to friends and move around. We can use them as rewards. So using the carrots in the same way. So one carrot equals one night's stay and it's just given as another way of um yeah being able to transfer or gift people. But yeah, the token itself is really because of the the wallet, it's really tied to you and it's tied to your uh proof of presence, right? So, um yeah, because of the proof of presence piece, it really needs to be you that's on the ground. Oh, yeah. >> Carrots decay.

>> Next question, I presume. Uh first of all, thank you so much for your presentation and doubly thanks for your project. I would argue that we're all the better for it. So, thank you so much for that. So, I have uh questions also around the token economic design model, specifically around the launch of the project. You had you had mentioned you guys were originally aiming to get $3 million worth of capital originally. So that seems like it didn't happen. And then also you started talking about the token being a utility token and a governance token. So, did was there a change at the beginning where you

started with the token thinking about it as a like an an asset for fundraising and then it changed to a utility over time? Uh because I'm I'm curious about the launch and the the level of fairness of the launch. How did you guys think about token allocation? How did you think about concentration risk? Uh what are the the smart contract procedures in the original token? This is probably stuff that I assume Felix has also looked into at length. So I'm yeah I'm curious to see how it worked out and where those original tokens ended up and what the distribution was like.

>> Um just to give you an overview of of how we calculated the tokens. So it's there it's a utility token. So it's based on the accommodation that we have available essentially at TDF. So, we have we have the plans. They're very clear that we're building 13 suites, but we also have uh 20 van parking spaces and um uh glamping tents and we have tree houses. So, we have unique accommodation and we have the suites. Um and what we did was we basically took the amount of accommodation that we have available um divide it by the the amount of years that uh times it by the amount of uh days in the year 365.

um and basically looked at the the value of the property to develop which is like three and a half million and through this we were able to come up with the amount of tokens that we that we have to distribute. Then we put 20% into sweat 20% into sweat reserve. Um so that's slowly running out after six years because also that's the thing that um we didn't expect to be building this for six years. So our sweat reserve is actually starting to get lower and so the value of that sweat tokens are actually getting higher like yeah we used to give them away like you could just you know in the beginning people were getting sweat for like little contributions and now it's like okay there's a bit more tension of the sweat

token because they're becoming um less and then the the token price is basically then also on this bonding curve like I said right in terms of the funding mechanism um so it's also taking that into account in terms of the the amount that we're trying to raise. Um so we have uh it's a finite amount of tokens that are available. Um and if we if we sell all those tokens on that bonding curve, it should give us that um that capital. I don't know. There's more technical parts there like smart contracts. I'm not the person to answer this, I'm afraid. Maybe you can, Felix.

>> No, I'm also nontechnical, but I'm economic. uh I'm happy to talk about all the economic assumptions and uh implications and where uh some of the assumptions were faulty like uh the I think the runway was uh a crucial part and the need to uh when when I was at TDF there was late 23 and early 24 and uh I don't know if it's okay to say but things were much less optimistic back then uh it was I think a fairly a tight position TDF was in, the team was in.

Uh, and yeah, that it made me really happy to see over the last year that uh, you survived and thrived. Um, I mentioned I have questions. Uh, Lorenzo is the next one, but I'm just going to abuse my power and, uh, pose a question myself. [laughter] A lecture on factual power. I hold the mic. Um my question is so back then at that moment uh uh token sales were clearly not uh uh uh working at a scale to bring in capital uh required to to do investment and even to cover uh to cover expenses right to to prolong runway uh

until capital comes and uh can be uh put to work. So uh back then uh was around the time when uh TDF took uh uh loans back then from private investors but private investors loans already spoken of spoken of and way I understand seems to be to bridge uh and radio sales uh bring in bring in and use um so they're But until then uh interested how how you you wondering back then I was wondering back then of course of

course on ops on operations on the cost of operation quite significantly. Um I'm I'm worrying about the same things here, right? Uh we for our uh co living project to do whatever we can to do whatever we can uh to avoid a bank loan at 5% interest. Uh because that would make it almost prohibitively prohibitively expensive. Uh how could you give me like a rough um um um um volume of loans and and interest if you're comfortable speaking about that?

Yeah, >> like how much interest rate you're paying and how you do that from uh operational uh revenue. >> Mhm. Yeah, we have at this point around No, we have 400k. Yeah, we have 400k in private loans that came Yeah, this was in 2024, 2023, 2024. the the the good part about taking out these loans is that they are very much fam like friends and family. So the people that lent us the money, most of them were 50k um sums that were lent to us really came from people that are like engaged with the project like friends

and family and people or like people that are there on the ground. Um, so there's a personal relationship there and there isn't this from that we we knew that going in that there's not strong uh demand for the money back although they do have a time uh limit. So we we don't feel that's the one side we don't feel the pressure actually which is very nice as simple as that. Um, so the intention for the loans was that the they would be paid back through the operations of the co-l livingiving when it's go gone live because we thought everything was going to move a lot faster than it is. Um, and so now we are actually looking at okay, can we negotiate some of those loans? That's

one part that we're just looking at adding time to those loans because of the relational part piece with the people that um are are close to us. Um, and then we're playing we're paying interest on those loans. Um, three how much? I don't know. I think it's >> I think Yeah, they can choose. Yeah. Yeah. And because it's friends and family, it's lower, I think. And then it's more like 3%. Could be less, could be none. I think some is zero.

Yeah. So um in that sense we don't feel immense pressure on it and then yeah we're paying back through operations. TDF in 2025 basically drew even at the end of the year in from a financial perspective like operational side. We um it was basically we spent about 80k but we were also building a lot of things and we raised 80k through operations through the events and through the yeah the glamping and and the things that we were doing. So this was amazing success. So we were yeah like the operational side of TDF like when it's um when it's running in these strong seasons is

actually bringing in enough revenue to pay back. Um we also launched in 2023 in this time that you talked about that was like there was this period where yeah there was it it was not looking optimistic. We also had this um uh we we launched the uh subscriptions which is a very small thing really but we launched it. We made a campaign on it. was €10 a month or €30 a month to support TDF and we put that out to like Instagram friends and family marketing campaign and it really worked and suddenly we had 3k coming in every month just from the subscriptions and it in that period where it was like a little bit yeah scary we had suddenly this stream of

income coming in so we've been smart on different ways to bring in revenue as well and support um and yeah so we have this we we have the operational money coming in, we have the subscriptions coming in and then we have the token sales like gradually coming in. Um all of the operations that we run on TDF 5% goes up to AASA also and into closer and AASA. So um yeah, it's kind of then trickling back into paying off the the the debts. Um but yeah, our intention is to is to extend some of these debts in the over the next year.

Let's answer your question. Yeah. >> Um, first of all, I want to I want to thank you about the everything we you've been doing and I think it's uh to to us as a generator of stewards. I think it's a uh such a a good inspiration uh also merging uh the technology and the possibilities we have in mind through technologies with uh possibly local connection local impact and generating a community on the on the on the path. Um I would like to

uh quest uh make a question about um how do you actually manage to interface uh people sweat and uh task to be done with the physical part with the sorry with the digital part. So how do you manage the bridge between physical and digital to match it as uh fair as possible? task on the ground like organizing tasks on the ground you mean?

do people know what to do? uh how is there a task list or how do you manage that in first hand >> and and then how do you convert um physical labor one hour labor one day labor I don't know how do you manage >> into um sweat tokens or or on the platform >> yes >> um yeah so from in terms of the to-dos so there's like the higher level which is like road map executive road map which is like two-year road map that's also updated like yearly road map where yeah that's like me and Sam and the team

um making the the overall plan of like what we're going to build where the money is going to be moving in that year and um so we have that as the the the first guiding guiding piece and then from there the the team on the ground is work is meeting weekly and making uh making the plan of what what we are doing in ter I don't know if that was your question but in terms of integrating tech to the task management I have to say we've tried things like actually using Trello and like other type of uh project management uh technology and this didn't really work for us. So when you have a a carpenter who's just like wants to be in the

workshop building yeah he's not really interested in using Trello. So there has been some like friction there that we've had to accept that um is it much more fluid in person. It's weekly meetings and um yeah the communication between me and Sam Tanya who's more coordinating the the ground um just guiding the tasks. Then we have morning standup every morning which is actually where tasks are distributed. So it's yeah it's done very much physically like in the morning um the team leads say I'm doing this today and I need three people to help me do this and then we would allocate the volunteers to different tasks um so yeah that's one way um in terms of the sweat allocation so

volunteers cannot earn tokens um yeah the volunteer exchange is a very like more much more casual volunteer exchange they do four hours a day on whatever they want to do it's not really there's not really an expectation from us in terms of their their work load. Um whereas the residencies we have more of a work exchange agreement. So that's where they would be put on a specific project. Um so yeah basically there's an allocation um of um so we say like we we pay we we give the the um the resident a certain um like I don't say salary because it's not

a salary but like we we allocate a certain amount to the residency per month. We minus the food and utility um the cost for us to host them basically and then we take the the um the last part and transfer it into tokens. Um and it depends if they decide they want to go sleep in the treehouse then actually that that would um they would end up getting less tokens and then if they go sleep in a in a glamping tent. So, we're trying to to make this also fair that like people can upgrade where they live at TDF right now, but like then it would be taken out of their um their reward compensation. That's the word I'm looking for. Um yeah, so that's that's a structure that we're trying to implement

>> You're monitoring the effort at the end of the day or through the uh the project manager. How do you do that? How do you input the effort done by the people? >> It's also like a trust basis. It's like it's not um yeah residents work six hours a day, five days a week if that's the question. And I think this is just the reality of living and working on excuse me working on a project is no one's really doing their hours actually most people are doing way more. So we ask the stu we ask them to do six hours a day but actually people are also on top of like all the other communal um the community needs cooking

dinner and um going to a sharing circle and all the other the time and energy that goes into building the culture. Um yeah you can't really allocate hours to it. So we do have this yeah six hours a day for residents for example full-time for team whatever that means in a way because yeah we're all working we're all working hard and um there's just a trust base that people are yeah are doing their their fair share in that side. Um and then yeah having basically a monthly compensation that is then given and that's kind of in a matrix that's that's actually done um the compensation is done through a matrix. So it's just like very clear depending on your role. So if

you're a team lead, this is how much uh compensation you get a month and then like where you sleep minus that food utility, that's your tokens and then that's your salary if you're receiving salary as well. >> So yeah, I was going to ask it's a good followup. Um are you able to pay yourself or are you just paying yourself in sweat tokens that also there is a demorage if I understand correctly. >> Mhm. Uh so that was one question and uh also was curious if the platform that you with the nonprofit in Switzerland can be used by other places to also issue their own token with their own >> Mh. And um and then the last thing on the last advice that I found interesting because I've heard the opposite advice and I guess the people who start with

just buying first the place alone say to start with other people and the people who start with other people say oh maybe you should start alone because there is sometimes conflict and it's not always easy. So I was curious to hear if you had also other experience on that. M um okay so yeah first question just started paying myself hardly minimum wage minimum Portuguese wage um yeah four and been working four years on the project um and I think my time to TDF has increased more like in the last couple of years uh so it's been like a slow building relationship for me in terms of how I contribute to TDF and at this stage yes as um as a director in

the company and um yeah, I've started to pay myself. I have to legally start to pay myself. Um but yeah, I'm I'm paying myself minimum wage. Um on top of that, I'm receiving uh token payment and yeah, that's just that's the reality that we are in in terms of yeah, being founders of the project for many years like Sam included has given like a lot of time and energy into this without uh receiving financial compensation. Do you keep track of that?

>> Do you keep track of do you have the token that you receive instead? Like can you then convert that later for money or you don't keep >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're keeping track of that. But we're being we're being paid in tokens, right? So we're we are receiving that benefit. So yeah, we that putting the the time and energy and love into it now and and hoping that it will yeah be paid off in the future. Um I don't know if to say that this is the answer or the right way because it's also comes with its own issues right there is also um it can come with like this feeling of like self-sacrifice and so that's it's also can be like a

friction with the team people coming into the project now there is an expectation of being paid and this is a this is a topic that's been within our team a lot this year around like salaries and we've gone through different periods als also in 2023 where we tried to pay people like full salaries and then it put a lot of pressure on the company. We're back into this year where the team is really like asking like and it's understandable like we do we need money and um it also comes into this deeper questions around like privilege and like the people that do this are the ones that are privileged enough to do this like there's so much around it. Um, and we're also up against that we are trying to build a community

that's not commercial. We're not trying to, you know, it's like there's all these elements to it. Um, yeah, I think it's it's something that we want to just keep slowly building and yeah, there is right now this acceptance that we cannot give a full team, full salary. um we do have the token there as a reward and um and yeah like we we also trying to change the game in that sense. So like no, we cannot pay like full salaries to our team right now, but we're giving our team the opportunity to actually hold real estate and that's something that many of us can't would not have that opportunity to do, right? So um yeah,

it's like that's that's the the scenario that we're in right now. Yeah. >> All right. The scenario we are all in today is that lasagna is still taking between 30 and 40 minutes. So I would suggest that we actually do have time for Maxim's talk. Um >> five minute break. Uh please do come back. We will start in five minutes.

>> Yeah. Thank you. to the second keynote of the day. Uh

that's a novelty. Yes. Uh the stars align well and we have a second keynote today on hard truths of real world data. Um so web three usage uh in Ukraine. >> Yeah. >> Under very specific and and and hard conditions. Uh but that also make for interesting findings or so I would assume. Uh yeah, thanks a lot uh Maxim for bringing this uh to us and uh let's go.

>> Yeah. Uh I have a lot not a lot of time because everybody waiting for the lunch. Yeah. But uh I tell you a story a story about us um uh and what we do in in Ukraine. uh uh we are Echo Village network uh and today it's uh very specific day for us because uh uh uh today we celebrating uh uh eight years of our network and every Wednesday in morning we have a zoom and in this zoom we speaking about uh our

needs uh or about uh our projects or about everything uh uh in our in our network. Uh and today was a real specific uh zoom call about u 40 people uh join and it was different people some men's uh now uh are in militaries uh in front line and they have zoom from front line. uh some women's uh living in other countries and they as a refugees uh in Europe and uh

they have a zoom from uh others countries uh but me here and uh uh it's a real network but sometimes it's not only about land based location uh if you understand the where is the front line front line is uh uh here and here and here and here and its potential line because it's a Bellarusian and uh 12 of these villages was occupied six of them was uh crashed and other uh continue to live and uh that is our story but it's

not all story uh because a lot of these people living in different places. Uh but they continue work in our in our network. Yeah. And um of course uh every time we have a challenges and uh with this winter that coming it's uh very hard wind winter because Russian change strategic and they now very systematically crash all our energic system logistic system and they do that very specifically. Uh step by

step uh uh crashing this uh um uh all fuel station and logistics uh uh notes and everything uh very systematically. And uh this uh this winter it will uh be hard. And what we do year by year of this for uh we every time uh uh making a new and new uh solar station water system it's a question about mobility about land regeneration and all of this uh to be more resilient in our situation uh for our villages.

This is map for one year of work but every year we uh add something new for for our network and our community spaces. Uh it was a film uh one time uh the name of this film is a crisis crisis of is our brand is a film about politics about uh uh one country in Latin America but uh this name it's very specific for us because collapse cause crisis and postapocalypsis it's about us And that is our brand. [laughter]

But um yeah and uh sometimes uh I uh thinking about this film because uh it was about PR uh of uh one uh politics uh consultant and she looking for new and new possibilities how to promote uh your project uh and make you stronger. uh when uh collapse uh continue. Yeah. And is it about us? Every time we looking for new new possibilities how we can uh be in uh uh uh in different uh conferences and be as

a voice you know uh our biggest pro uh project it was green road that is a green road as a picture and uh it's uh when start the war people move from the east to the west uh to more more safety places and we make as a map about 100 location. Uh you can it it was only very primitive Google maps with uh maps with location and telephones and uh we sent this link uh to this Google maps uh only to the chats for the people and in one time I I see that how many views it was half

million views of this map and people uh using this map uh to call uh to uh have only one night sometimes uh in one of these place and uh our gen network echo village yop they join to this map about 350 location and it was a big map uh and they make as a chat with focalizer from different countries and they communicate the people and they moving and moving and moving and it was thousands of thousands of people and some of them stay so move uh continue to move uh and

it was a big project of green rod and echo villagers from uh European countries say that uh we gather all the Europe uh last 10 years they never gather like in that situation uh and yeah and uh it situation when we make as gen network strong again. Yeah. uh but it's uh continue only two years because people who want to move they move and other uh stay and uh now I I don't know what happens this winter

uh but uh I hope not a lot of people uh moving everybody staying. Yeah. uh of course uh a lot of humanitarian tracks uh move to us previously from Danish uh uh organization and Netherlands uh something help us it it is how it's going uh about three or four track uh through the every year we have and they sent us everything for community space it's one of community spaces H and uh it is a storage and after we

send it it to other location and how it works. Uh yeah, but uh uh our case is not about uh please help us uh uh it's about how we can uh communicate u peer-to-peer uh about something uh as a solution uh when uh how we find it in in in our uh situation crisis situation. Uh that is my speech in Ethereum Prague when I uh show how we building economic system uh with blockchain and web3 integration.

Yeah, one of this integration is Sarafo network. Maybe you know about this platform. Uh we find it uh in uh uh and I connected with will reduk. We have some zooms. Uh yeah and uh uh we translate this uh uh his book uh to our Ukrainian language and we make as some pools. One of them is stola pool because stola is a name a specific name when people gathering together and do something without money as a volunteers and maybe you know and have this specific name because in different countries it's uh they have

but in Ukraine it's to loca story in blockchain.

Yeah. uh in blockchain because I understand that it it's important not only for us we write this story because we don't know uh what future uh we have in next year maybe all our micro villages was uh destroyed who knows but we make this story for other communities who want to build a network. Yeah. And uh that is our little statistic in Sarafo network about uh 100 active wallets and uh 246 transaction and uh it's it's a token circulation

and this tooka pool is the biggest pool when uh a lot of our villagers make a reports and transaction. It's very simple because we say one report uh you can take uh 10 USDC and they uh make reports is a motivation why to do that in in Sarafu but for us it's important because we use these reports in other uh uh traditional grants and uh big reports and other things. Yeah. And of course it's how to uh how to uh study people uh making as a transaction in blockchain.

Yeah. And uh uh it was a question for me uh how our people in echo villages uh stay to work with uh with crypto. But uh in Ukraine crypto is very popular. People use it and it's not problem for us. uh but uh we have a lot of depths of uh low tech but uh in practice they use uh they use uh as a crypto yeah and it's work uh yeah it's our pool if you want to find uh uh to find how it's going it's our reports it's our pool and uh how how

it's going you can open safon network as platform find uh this to loca poolool and uh see uh how it works. Yeah. But uh it's not only about that because for us it's uh community economics. It's safer network uh for uh land regeneration and carbon credits. we start to use regen network for uh solar station arine and uh that is idea because we have no coders you know it's uh we are only as activists and uh we have no strong team in uh in coding but and uh and and uh our

strategic was how to build a partnership between between a platform or teams who do something all who always do that. Uh and uh we as work as a partners or clients or adepts of uh of ideas. Yeah. We working with Sylvi and other platform. Yeah. Um yeah, it's our reality. Uh it's a bombs. uh and after bomb we use our uh permaculture technology to uh regenerate the land uh and uh making as a courses and or trainings or workshops it's a

biochar it's a harvest it's a presentation it's very simple uh this woman now living in Finhorn Finhorn is is famous echo village in Scotland and uh about 20 Ukrainian uh uh people living in Finhorn right now and maybe other hundreds of Ukrainian people live in other eco villages in Europe and uh she is certificated trainer of permaculture and uh she has one location in Ukraine and and working in Finhard and moving uh between uh two of these location and uh

it's uh how it's going for our a villagers. uh it's this cases I want to show uh for for uh idea of oza because uh uh it's uh for me when I uh uh read this uh white paper uh I thinking uh how we can be as a regenerative villages because uh uh uh that is 20 years of regeneration in Google maps. You can open this Google maps and uh it's as archive of screens and you can find uh this guy it's as a

blind blind it's blind blind and he is blind it's his children and uh he uh working with that because a lot of Ukrainian village uh it was idea to take degradated lands uh and after uh step by step regenerate. uh they live as a individual homestead about one hectare of the land take one family and uh they make as that is the lakes they have some lakes and uh that is the line between uh as it is one village and next and next uh um yeah and we support these people

coordinator center of a village network of Ukraine. Uh of course we start to use uh previously we work uh with traditional grants and foundation and uh we continue to work but idea is how to mix it it's uh with uh new new types of climate round in web 3. We start to work uh with gas. It's our pool of uh project uh regenerative project. It's about bicycles uh uh and commodonian spaces. Yes, it's it moves slowly but we continue is gitcoin uh platform we start work with

maires foundation and three rounds we continue to work with them. uh not so big money but it's a real big motivation for us but in Ukraine we have uh our own uh platform fundraising platform it's name of pistic club and uh people uh uh his project put in this platform it's only in Ukrainian work and uh it's a idea how our as little businessman's uh support uh our economics uh locally and that is uh three types of economics

because one of this is traditional grant who support us as a Danish foundation uh Netherlands foundation it's a genation uh next it's as a crypto uh rounds and next is as our local platform uh who supported uh uh uh project in echo villages. Yeah. About uh gaps, outgoing gaps because in Ukraine something went wrong. One of these is uh Ukraine have as conflict regions as a crema regions and uh uh this conflict uh closed for us a lot of

different uh platform. uh hippert was closed but we uh in uh support working with support and they open Ukraine uh it's as a salo wallet mini pay uh closed uh we we communicate but they closed uh and that is a problem because uh all time when we speak about uh supporting grassroot communities in other in different places uh in the world. Uh for me sometimes it's a question because not for all. Yeah. Uh and next uh trouble is about quadratic algorithm

because uh uh it's a as a uh rounders when $200,000 taking only four uh location that is Tamara he take $25,000 Tamara it's echo village in Portugal and uh it help uh they take it because Pipal was open for Ukraine people is working so so [gasps] and of course they they take more voices and algorithms choose them but not choose us and it was only algorithm question uh and uh of course $2,000 for

60 location it's not relevant that $25,000 for one location but it uh it only algorith algorithm. Sorry, quadratic and quadratic algorithm detected uh our transaction between our uh wallets as a cyber attack because uh our pool uh make a voices in rounds and uh algorithms say no no it's not a community it's not a big network it's a cy it's a h and they cut our voices And that is a problem and that is that important to say when you speaking about

algorithms about technologies because sometimes went wrong uh if it's only technologies uh sometimes it's better that mix it between people and technologies because only technologies make us this situation uh tools and gadget it's very interesting case because something tools and gadgets have not connected or not working and if you're not technical man or only woman with children uh you put it it's not working and uh now arine we have some challenge with that because

it's about tokenization of our solar station in in our community spaces uh and that is idea to uh take this smart matter and verificated our solar energy and tokenizing it. But uh that is open question because we start to work that but uh technical questions sometimes moving uh during monthses and uh in carbon verification in regen network we two years waiting for this verification that is the problem uh and uh previously it's a question about uh how we can use

technical and bureaucracy because everybody manifesting that uh grassroot communities and uh we make a new revolution and everything else but in reality something very have trouble. Uh next question is about GPS. uh when you uh is a sylvvi if you uh plant the trees and uh make a photo and that is a question because uh in Ukraine for protect our uh land from uh uh with drones and bombing uh GPS move uh location and uh sometimes you should

move your trees 25 kilometer. Yeah, to put it in a real uh true location and that is a problem but uh we fix it is uh with uh Sylv with Jimmo uh it's good connection he open the chat and we working it's okay uh and he help us with that to fix it this trouble. Yeah. And uh that is very interesting case because if you see the front line, front line is here.

You see how people is active uh in that places uh and not so active in other places. This is front line too. Uh it's about where is the life where is the activity. Sometimes life and activity were uh more uh uh active in the line of the death. And uh it's very uh important sometimes to understand uh with whom you should more as work and support it because a life is here in the line of the death and supported it's

better to these places uh because uh they want to do something every time uh they understand how important uh to give new life. It's it's about trees of course but we continue every season and maybe next months we repeat our tree planting action. Yeah. about three planting action. Every season we make this action and people do this do it not for money or for reports or for things uh because echo village it's about as a as a religion you know to uh to uh give a life and uh to make

to planted the trees and uh uh uh when we start to work with uh ma we have a lot of conflicts and sociocratic conflicts and other uh conflicts about uh um uh administrating system. uh and we make this action and we say that okay we are difference but in earth we trust [laughter and gasps] and we in earth we together we have not conflict when we start to do something on the earth and uh it was next level of our evolution as a network when we uh

continue to support this action. Yeah. Uh uh regen bank is uh our platform is is a fork because when we continue to work with regen network and uh to two uh years it uh nothing to happens. uh we make as a uh platform of regen bank and uh show uh our project here and make as a pre-sale of a tokens uh in in this platform and we want to continue to develop this as a carbon

marketplace because we have an idea how to uh make as a new level of Biodiversity research or monitoring places or uh work with bees or um uh tree planting or other and other action. Yes, hacking uh crypto is a is a hacking and in one time uh one guy hack us. Uh it was very interesting because uh he has a profile with karma karma platform.

He makes this pro pro platform and call to me uh when I need some support and uh uh and he give me this support and uh it was as a fishing site and after they uh take as a uh key for a recovery key for uh wallet and take uh money. It was money from uh two rounds and uh uh it was hard and it's it's about trouble with uh with crypto when you work

because in one time someone can hack you. Uh of course I write in the chats uh because it's it was said believing we believe each other. I know we know each other online but and is that was the problem. Yeah. uh impact dashboard. We make uh a dashboard to show how we tokenize everything what we do that is as from uh Sarafu network and it about 70 reports or more uh segmentated by types of work echo village volunteering commonian spaces and uh other other

activities and you can see all our pools and how many transaction and after a voucher for every name of eco villages happy people a millennial kinham and other other here it's tree tree planting tree planting how many project how many hectars uh verificated or painting or in review status yes and different eco villages uh that is as a hippert certificate that is as a solar station and uh um uh smart matters of all our solar station and that was idea how to show in one dashboard everything what we

do our impact uh in in uh in tokens uh yeah but we on the way of course uh and uh we need some maybe technical people who can support us in that because it's only first steps I feel uh how we can uh going and uh about circulation of money because uh we start uh only with simple step uh $10 it's one report uh and uh people take this uh money and after they can use this money for voting

uh in the rounds and after these rounds we making a new pools for uh supporting something. Uh after uh people uh putting in Sylvi uh how they uh planting krees, they take some money from uh Sylvi and after they uh take some tokens for a Korean and this is a circulation because we every time uh supporting and supporting uh uh by crypto uh activities uh and they has should more stronger with economics because uh in in the future I see that they have as

tokconomics but every time now we need as a financation we do that. Yeah. And uh step by step we building new culture of economics. Yeah. Because it's about uh six villages and uh uh slowly they integrated Yeah. Uh it's my wallet a lot of different tokens. [laughter] [gasps] Yeah. Because every round and every platform use uh another tokens and another tough types of crypto. But uh when we start uh

some man's uh come from France and he speak as story uh about uh uh about bank of alternative local money and uh it was a bank about 26 local money for supporting of grassroot communities but it was fiat money And I'm not understand how to integrate this fiat money because he say if you want to uh build economics with fiat money, you should have about uh 100 of little stores or farming or and I say I haven't because in uh our

communities sometimes live only three five families sometimes only one man stay in our communities that is the difference. But we have a lot of land, less of people, but a lot of land. Sometimes 50, 100 hectares. Why it happens? Because we have 11 hours of the war and people uh moving and we lost these people. And of course how to do with that when we have only few peoples and big distance between these peoples because uh difference between uh German communities and Ukrainian that is uh in Ukraine it's one

family one hectares that is the difference at a distance that is the problem or not problem or it's our pattern if it's our pattern how to be with that how to build community building how to build economics how to build relations how to do with that who can help us that is the problem because I'm a only communicator I don't know I I study Danish experience about circle about everything and we bring it to Ukraine but we understand it's not relevance for

us we need something difference and uh that was a problem we start to uh testing this hypotheus uh something it works sometimes not and I show you and it's about uh our stack because we speak about surviving in the war situation in surviving that is a question because we have in one line in one uh line we have as a front line In other it's a climate crisis because front line pushing is a c climate and climate pushing [laughter] because it's a desertation of big territories

uh uh and uh uh the question how how to survive the question of water of uh mobility of uh uh land food system uh regeneration Energiatic system, commonian spaces, social infrastructure, refugees, everything and all time in the you sometimes in big routine every time you in telephone because something happens every time and uh that is our reality and we have sometimes in the round $2,000 of dollar and we have a sprint because uh we have

only some months to show as a out uh output impact. Yes. uh and uh reports impact reports and everything uh in positive of course that uh every time we should have as a hope as a solution as a horizont of our planning everything of that because uh it's when is algorithm how to speak without do with donors. Yes. Uh yeah and uh that is uh that is my story and that is I'm not remember what is it but uh that is

our Twitter and GitHub uh I uh every time show what we do uh and um yeah yeah it's about us. Thank you. >> thank you. Um, thanks for your presentation and uh for the courage to continue what is already not easy without the war.

thank you. Um, how do you deal with the trauma >> trauma of war and how do you do you what do you do to prevent war to creep inside yourself? How do you fight monsters without becoming a monster yourself? Um >> it's a question about >> um well collectively and you personally if you want to.

because uh my my team is very good question. Sometimes it's good to make it tool and it help you to work with your drama have more life

sometimes. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Uh uh it's um um give me these words when you as uh in charge working with uh uh it's um one moment I need to translate this word uh because it's important uh uh service not service it's not these

words but uh support or uh if uh as echo villages uh and our network is as a charge and ISS support this charge uh that is when I understand that uh someone need help. And uh previously uh it's a woman with children and uh it help uh with depression or something else because you understand that you should uh help for these people because they stay and they

continue to uh uh to work with uh his echo villages, his project. they believe and uh you uh you should to do to work with them because they do uh important things in Ukraine and uh yeah and they believe uh for for us and for idea of a village. Yeah. uh we thinking today about that uh often uh post retroatic often is when you come to Europe and uh tell you every time stories about uh

about Ukraine and the war in Ukraine it's real sometimes very traumatic and you need some time to make a pa but everybody uh interested that and you understand you are this voice here uh and sometimes madly maybe only you because uh nobody know what what is going in Ukraine and uh that is as a support and service uh what I should to do uh because I have two problem with my health and sometimes I have uh low energy sometimes uh I in depression and uh uh can't can't do nothing uh but this is a mission and Uh I

understand war is continue and nobody prepare us to this but uh we are in and we should to continue and uh nobody ask us we are tired or not because war is continue and people uh killed and uh winter uh uh winter is going and we have only few weeks uh to prepare and uh that is our reality and uh and uh of course we should be uh strong, resilient and optimistic.

Yeah, that is maybe after war I say and say oh I'm in depression but uh now I can't. Yeah. >> Hi. Thank you so much for sharing. I hear you. But uh you can give maybe this one.

Um yeah, I just talked about all the challenges of building a village and I I cannot imagine to have this layer of yeah of something impacting so strongly. Um my question is around you mentioned that some people are currently in Finhorn for example and that some people are uh from the villages have are now spending time in other communities and spaces and I'm wondering if has there been some specific um programs created for um that possibility for people to relocate uh I want to deeper understand uh uh uh

the question of program for people who are located in different villages. Yes, >> in Yeor >> uh yeah it was uh working because we uh built this project. It's a green road uh project and uh people uh move a lot of people was relocated to other eco villages in Europe. Uh and uh some of them continue to live and work uh in uh in eco villages in Europe.

And uh sometimes it was one of the gaps because uh we make uh eight years we work and we make a lot of courses. Uh it was uh a village design education courses uh and we make as a certificated specialist about sociocratic uh permaculture nonviolent communication community building uh project of villages and uh and uh sometimes this relocation it was uh uh as a export of our specialist because uh uh these networks uh in

different countries take this specialist and uh they working in this uh as in F in Finhorn uh the specialist continue to work in that location. we uh make a courses to build our network but we built European network and that is the question because uh for for me uh uh it's it was uh as a we built uh as a work uh specialist to export as a transition country we are transition country for John uh it's not uh for me uh as a

coordinator of network local network I want every time to make a stronger my network but uh we lost a best people we not lost a people who uh uh who need support we lost a people who give us a value of comments for other and uh Some of them uh right now uh thinking about return and continue to work with us. But uh this year uh sometimes we stay alone in this situation and uh that is reality.

Sometimes reality is not simple. But uh question is uh uh what you do. You continue and uh maybe some new resources and some new people continue because yes this year uh I think we some we lost uh uh new waves of people uh in in this winter. uh they move to to European countries because no electricity uh no logistic system, no uh uh uh transportation system and uh it's it's

real hardship survive in this situation but I hope uh and uh my idea is to change something not thinking about program or relocation But thinking about how to invite you with your experience to Ukraine and maybe help us to make level up. That is idea. Yeah. >> Yeah. We go to eat. Yeah.

>> Yes.