Bitcoin's surge, corporate treasuries and altcoin picks, with Lark Davis

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GM good morning welcome to the milroad show The Daily crypto show that's as reliable as someone who actually reads the instructions manual I'm your host Jay Hamilton and today we are joined by Lark Davis legendary crypto investor tweet Tour Master YouTube master and crypto educator to talk about Bitcoin alltime highs let's go what is causing it there's big news out of micro strategy joining the NASDAQ 100 we're going to talk about that Argentina and Thailand are getting in on the race to own Bitcoins The Sovereign cycle is on and governments are getting into the party in a big way we're going talk

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stock position yourself with Precision with T-Rex you gain access to powerful tools for sophisticated investors Lark welcome back to the milk Road Show thanks for having me back man what a day what a day what a day we're recording this on Monday you guys are listening to this on Tuesday I hope the same all-time high Vibes are happening when you guys hear this but damn Lark let me just pull up this chart right here look at Bitcoin right now oh we just dipped below 107 as we're recording this but Bitcoin is flying how you feeling it's awesome it's great to see it's been just a slow grind higher hasn't I we we had our flash crash was

it two weeks ago massive leverage unwind right after that huge Leverage unwind we would slowly turn in the volume back up haven't we Leverage is coming back in people are chasing it once again and the price is slowly grinding higher we've seen gargantuan spot buying coming in here as well which is really just slowly grinding that price up and this is just a beautiful chart right now just up and to the right but slowly we're not going parabolic right now which is fine let it grind let it go nice and slow like this I mean slow it's only been five weeks since Trump been elected it's already up $40,000 or something like that in the last five weeks but you know slow yeah and it's the the ETF is just gobbling

continuing to gobble over two billion last week which is just awesome to see uh but the big news the big news today this morning came out is that micro strategy has been added to the NASDAQ 100 Lark what's the impact of this you know they use the term infinite money glitch sometimes but I almost feel like this is really that you see with the inclusion of micro strategy into the NASDAQ 100 index essentially what you're going to see is all the funds that sell that to people right all people who hold it well they've gotten out of rebalance and buy a bunch of micro strategy that means the market cap and micro strategy will go up as the mic cap micro strategy

go up guess what gigachad sailor does he buys more Bitcoin he bought another 1.5 billion yesterday or the day before he announced his buys it's probably happen Friday last week or something like that so essentially he gets to then leverage micro strategy more sell more shares issue new shares all that kind of stuff and keep just rolling it in keep getting more Bitcoin I think they're up to 440,000 bitcoin or something like that right now and as he gets to keep buying more Bitcoin because the price keeps going up guess what the price keeps going up because he keeps buying more Bitcoin and then NASDAQ has to buy more the ETF it's crazy the implications are absolutely

nuts the amount of just leverage gearing up micro strategy right now is absolutely insane it's been just one for the record books watching this stock go and what a crazy move I mean Michael sailor definitely understands the game to a very nuanced level and is playing it like a master right now when the bare Market comes it's gonna hit hard but that's for later us to worry about up until that point this thing is GNA keep cooking yeah it's incredible to think about the impact of a of a company like micro strategy that is essentially built upon this Bitcoin treasury business model and and then also the way they're using convertible bonds and whatnot but I I

just imagine how many you know we've seen a few corporations putting Bitcoin on their balance sheet but we haven't really seen an explosion of that and I think that is that is going to be something that we really see in the next year now everybody's talking about you know Microsoft voted not to buy Bitcoin in their balance sheet Amazon has a vote coming up at some point I actually know what the data of it is I don't necessarily expect those you know Fortune 100 or the Magnificent Seven to put Bitcoin on their balance sheet but you can bet that there's going to be a lot of micro strategy copycats coming especially when news like this happens well there already are a lot of those micro strategy copycat companies out there right you have a metap planet in Japan which is sort of doing the same

play right now you have similar scientific which is running a similar Playbook you have Marathon Holdings used to be Marathon digital um they're a Bitcoin mining company of course they mine Bitcoin they've also been issuing out billions in convertible notes and stuff like that in order to buy more Bitcoin so we're already seeing different companies playing this out and um Tesla's in the Magnificent 7 right so it already holds Bitcoin so one of the seven does true right and they've held it since 21 and here's deal one of the other companies is going to come in at some point and Microsoft being late to the game I mean Keller me surprised right Microsoft's a super conservative company in a lot of ways

and they missed every big thing that happened in Tech which is quite surprising Microsoft is one of those companies that keeps falling up for better or worse they just keep falling up right they missed mobile phones they missed social media they missed all the big stuff that happened in Tech in the last 20 years and they're still one of the biggest companies in the world so so it's not because of their genius level thinking and forward Innovative stuff it's just that they keep just being there and being the dominant market player because everybody doesn't want to buy Apple because it's too expensive I guess anyway it is what it is but there are other companies that do have a good chance of making that move now we've seen for example Facebook Facebook if in case everybody doesn't remember back in

2020 I think they launched the DM project Facebook was super de crypto man fact they're so into crypto that the government had to shut it down they had to shut their crypto stuff down because they were too worried about the implications of course this was you know just what a dumb move imagine if Facebook had been running the rails for crypto dollars US dollar dominance secured forever oh no let's shut it down of course we had got aptose come out of that we had uh soie come out of that stuff like this so you know hey some sweet benefits still but company like Facebook meta we call it meta company like meta actually adding Bitcoin to the balance sheet wouldn't be

a stretch in my mind it's it feels like a much more sensible fit compared to Microsoft Amazon I don't know bit of crapshoot Apple Tim Cook owns crypto come on Tim what are you doing man go buy some damn crypto for your company it doesn't have to just a billion bucks dude a billion bucks to Signal the water is okay everyone can jump on in a billion bucks to Apple's nothing they have like 100 billion Cash sing there throw a billion Bitcoin Tim come on do it for the cause man let's go Tim let's go the Milkman wants to see it okay let's go from from companies and corporations buying which is obviously awesome and great to see let's go to countries and countries are doing because this is almost even more exciting and first up I gotta let's talk

about the news out of Argentina so Argentina president Javier melier announced that they plan to allow Bitcoin payments in 2025 Jay I'm just I'm having a really hard time recently dealing with reality because everything that we've talked about happening for the last eight years I've bet in crypto is now currently happening and it's yeah if you guys have not been in crypto for a while I need you to understand that that that one story it's just a footnote in the week news this week that one story is so big and so impactful had this happened in 2017 it would have been the only thing people are talking about people to lost their

freaking Minds man now she's like oh Argentina that cool okay cool whatever holy crap guys Argentina is talking about legalizing crypto for pays now Brazil already did that by the way Brazil did that last year or two years ago Brazil's been way ahead of the pack in South America they've been super pro Bitcoin there uh now even of course Brazil is talking about adding a strategic Reserve asset to the central bank so they're right at the Forefront of it as always second country in the world I think to issue Bitcoin coin ETFs after Canada so you know shout out to Brazil they've been they at the Forefront but there's even been some sort of Rumblings that we could see Argentina to potentially go the legal tender route at some point like El Salvador they've been talking to El Salvador whether they actually pull that off or not I don't know but it is

rumbling in the background so it wouldn't be surprising I remember Paraguay is a major Bitcoin mining hot spot as well so a lot of stuff happening there in the region but of course Argentina is just a part of the picture we have a lot of other countries that been talking about crypto in the last week too now you have to keep it in mind that everything that's happened so far around since the Trump election around strategic Bitcoin reserves um stuff like this very few places have so far introduced any kind of bills Brazil actually introduced a bill that's a real concrete step whether it passes or not different different discussion but they actually took a real concrete step towards it Japan we had discussion around a strategic Reserve Japan's a

great candidate they've been uh one of the earliest adopters of cryptocurrency technology and Japanese are crazy about crypto however the only guy talking about it so far has been just one like one politician I don't think he's introduced a bill or anything like that yet maybe he's working on a bill but that's kind of the stage it's at right now still huge right um Poland I think one of the presidential candidates was talking about that I don't know how likely it is he gets elected um was it suram the lady in suram she's running for president or is itana one of those places anyway she's running for president and she wants to do the Bitcoin legal tender thing Bitcoin Reserve thing so whether or not she's I have no idea right what her

actual Chan of getting elected are but she's running so these conversations are happening Thailand though is probably the biggest one because the previous prime minister thaon Shinawatra he somebody's I guess he's been listening to Michael sailor podcast or something man because he got orange pilled and he he he's going nuts and so his son is currently the Prime Minister and so he's been pushing his son like dude you got to get down this Bitcoin thing you know I know what it is Dad Dad bought a billion dollars of the Bitcoin he's like come on man push the Bitcoin thing it's gonna my bags go up you watch anyway so here's the deal there's been a lot of conversation in the past couple days in Thailand about what they could do now are we going to see Bitcoin legal tender in Thailand there's been some Rumblings about that are we going to see

a Thai digital Cur curency some kind of cbdc but backed by Bitcoin maybe or could we actually see some kind of legal tender or a reserve status so I mean any of these things are absolutely massive if Thailand was to go fullon hardcore like Bitcoin and actually go we're going to throw it in as legal tender and we're going to get a strategic Reserve asset of it I don't think people realize how incredibly impactful that is for a lot of people they probably just think oh Thailand I'll go there and hang on the beaches and you know sa EOP good times right but Thailand's like 30th biggest economy or something the world 25th biggest economy it's big it's an absolute Powerhouse in Southeast Asia and in East Asia more broadly if it makes those kind of moves

extremely impactful extremely impactful especially as a leader for the asan countries which is the group of Southeast Asian countries but globally as well just absolute massive stuff here guys so the amount of cryptocurrency and Bitcoin specific adoption happening right now is just unreal yeah it's it's people you don't fully grasp or realize how impactful all these little things are because as you said previously these things would have been massive news now they're coming out feels like every every week There's a new country getting involved talking about it obviously as you said there's a big difference between talk and bills and legislation and there's a big gap of what all the steps that need to happen

in order for an a strategic Reserve to happen in these countries it's not as simple as somebody saying yeah we now have a strategic Reserve like that has to go through legislation and the central banks need to be involved and blah blah blah but it is just the the race is on the race is on the look I don't I don't know how knowledgeable the former Thai President is on bitcoin price action but if you want to feel some bullish Vibes he predicted 850k Bitcoin was his prediction so I don't know if I should say that out loud because that's maybe a little bit I don't know what his time frame on that prediction actually was I hope it wasn't in the next year but full Vibes all around everybody's feeling good um I want to go

to where where are we right now so uh I got a tweet up here from cryptocon he says when somebody says there's a Bitcoin cycle top coming in the next few months I can't help but smile and shake my head at this rate about 90% of our space will have packed their bags after q1 2025 meanwhile data says we're on track for a normal cycle timing with a top in late 2025 which is a year of great price action to continue and let me just pull this chart up on the screen Lark what do you think when you look at the cycle where we are now what we can expect in 2025 you know it's very interesting to consider because I feel like there's so much intense PTSD everybody who survived

22 is like seriously effed up in the head right now and everybody's just like desperate to sell as soon as the coins get back to highs and desperate to get out and everyone's still paranoid about the recession com World War III and all this kind of stuff and I think that March April could be the top right it also could just be the first major Peak sell and May and go away usually becomes true because volumes drop and stuff in the summer everybody goes on vacation everybody hits up the M Alie coast and the The Hamptons whatever and they're not trading their crypto coins right so volumes fall off quite a bit during the summer period so I can see a March April top being a realistic scenario followed by the summer doldrums and some kind of

final rally into the end of the year much like we saw in 2021 and in 2017 2017 wasn't as baby pronounced in the summertime but it was pretty low volume and there's a lot of price downward action all that kind of stuff now what are some possible reasons why we could actually see the market rally into the end of next year with maybe a summer doldrum period Well we have the global M2 money supply which lot of analysts are predicting is going to be increasing until the end of next year or round it to Q3 next year of course opinions vary from Q3 into about q1 2026 M2 Supply going up usually means the price of risk on assets go up

Bitcoin and stuff like that of course benefit from that sort of situation as to your dog coins there's a lot of other factors too I saw a great chart earlier today it was um the uh the credit cycles and so uh private cred let me pull that up the private credit oh the private yes this one yeah it's a fantastic chart the private credit chart so this we're right now in a similar situation as what we saw in about 2010 now from 2010 up until of course you know 2020 I guess around Peak in that for the the big pandemic crash we had a wild Market rally now there was some huge volatility some giant crashes and Corrections and stuff throughout the

middle of that as there always is but this is essentially the starting of a potentially new major cycle now of course that's just one chart one indicator but we have central banks easing globally fed probably going to be cutting so this week they're they're meetings so they're probably going to cut this week ECB just cut by another 25 basis points so money's getting cheaper globally M2 Supply is expanding and a lot of these sort of economic charts like this are bottom down now you still have other stuff like okay the three-month treasury is now crossed back above the the 10year and stuff like that so people are still worried about the yield curve and stuff like that but I don't know there's so many other things going on that are countering that right now that we could again March April

interesting end of the year I could see it one one final note here back in 2021 the pi cycle top indicator crossed in April now had you sold on that day all your Bitcoin if you want to sell your Bitcoin of course had you sold all your Bitcoin and then two weeks later sold all your altcoin coins you would have made so much money it would have been ridiculous now prices did go higher in October and November and you could have rebot in the summer had you wanted to or you could have just walked away from crypto until the FTX crash and you okay you sold your eth two weeks after the uh Pio top indicator comes in yeah you only sold it for $4,200 not $4,800 but it doesn't really matter does

it yeah I mean it it shows don't try try to time the top right you know the we're all we all have a massive opportunity ahead of us in the next year don't get too greedy don't try to time the top be okay with knowing that you're you're never gonna time the top and you're gonna miss out probably on you don't need to be the perfect genius investor right you just need to take profits that make sense for you okay for everybody sitting there and saying Bitcoin keeps pumping what about my altcoins what do you say look there's there are times when Bitcoin just sucks all the air out of the room like a raging Inferno right and it's makes it hard for everyone else to

breathe but altcoins will come raging back as soon as Bitcoin calms down a little bit it's amazing people will just dump their altcoins like crazy I'm gonna dump my altcoin for a 20% loss change a 5% Bitcoin move let's go don't don't try to provide rationality to it you can't look the the reality is you know it's so funny I I see the comments in my comment section and stuff and people like lar you said that an Point season's coming but everything's down like 5% today it's a giant scam you got to have like a slightly longer time preference than like two or three hours okay guys or a day or two like you have to look at the big picture of what's going on here and what we're moving into and the altcoins my goodness gracious look at how much movement has happened on altcoins since

early November I mean my gosh yeah some of them are correcting Salon is correcting xrp is correcting but xrp always has a big correction after it hits 80 plus uh and the RS SI on the weekly it always corrects and it'll correct and it'll consolidate and people will distribute and other people reaccumulate and then it'll mark up for its next period because that's what happens in the market the altcoin markets are far from finished okay and they will catch up with a Vengeance and this is the thing Bitcoin from here to what I've thought could be a ra rational cycle thought top area 200 to $250,000 that's only 100% move for Bitcoin approximately from here a little bit a little bit less a little bit more whatever if Bitcoin goes to $250,000 do you have any idea how crazy

it's going to be if your altcoins your altcoins are going to perform probably on average let's say your big cap stuff 3 to 5x versus Bitcoin and your mid and low cap stuff 10 to 20x on average versus Bitcoin it's G to get way stupider than people realized if you haven't been here for absolute mental craziness season for crypto well strap your pants on okay get your big boy pants on put the belt on Buckle it up real good it's gonna get crazy around here guys what like what asset class are we in we're been here like decades for now and just we're GNA be totally blown away that we're talking about 3 to 5x 10 to 20x as if it's a normal thing in a year for an investor to to Lally how

Grandpa make all his money on fart coin I love that you brought up AI agents because I do want to touch on on that in in a few minutes uh but first first uh what do you expect for just take us through the rest of we don't we don't I think we we got a 2025 prediction show with you coming up uh in a few weeks so we'll get your 2025 prediction but that's more longterm what do you expect for the rest of December and the few weeks of Jan until we get you back on the show again sure I think uh markets are going to continue to generally be risk on I mean what we've seen in previous years especially when we have the right broader economic conditions which we do right now is that December t be a pretty damnn good month

uh January also can be a pretty decent month as well there'll be a little bit of repositioning around the end of the year as people move stuff around for taxes and stuff like that but but overall um I'm looking at Bitcoin probably to continue to Rally between here and at least the Trump inauguration maybe we have a little bit of headwind after that but altcoins continue in their just usual dance of grinding but also taking big hits that we got so many altcoins that are either major consolidation periods or getting ready for major breakouts or in the process of major break breakouts like Avalanche and ethereum and stuff like that so I think we're going to see some big moves right across the El Remember by the way guys remember ethereum tends to lag about six weeks behind Bitcoin and it's been about six weeks now since

um that big uh Bitcoin breakout initially and Wall Street started buying ethereum and when ethereum goes from 4,000 bucks to seven 8,000 bucks the rest of the altcoin space is going to rage right along behind it yeah completely do you think there's going to be a pullback some people were circling Trump Inauguration in their calendar Jan 20th uh do you think we'll see a pullback in I don't think we'll see a pullback in December but in January you think we'll see a pullback it could absolutely happen I mean it's hard it's hard to say definitively this is going to cause a pullback or not I mean the inauguration you might see a buy the rumor sell the news to some extent if people are thinking that you know day one's going to see an absolute raft of crypto legislation come through it might see some there might be a bunch of bills

on the desk or you know presidential orders on the desk for day one we shall see and if the those hit then yeah we still that's very impactful and very exciting but it doesn't mean that things happen the next day and that America's immediately going to buy you know a million Market bu a million Bitcoin and it just doesn't quite work like that yeah that's what I'm worried about is there might be an unreasonable expectation for that oh we live in the market of unreasonable expectations you know like the market might expect like oh Trump's gonna Trump's GNA be inaugurated and then day one all these things are going to happen and nothing's going to happen and it'll end up being a a but like a sell the news event right is kind of where where I'm leaning but we'll see let's talk about AI agents I

don't think we've talked much about AI agents with you yet we've talked a bunch on the show recently with others I mean we'd be living under a rock if we weren't talking about it uh just curious what what are your thoughts on AI agents and how are you allocating your portfolio yeah AI agents probably one of the most interesting and exciting novel ideas come out of crypto recently I mean certainly way cooler way more exciting than Ian layer we're reaking our ethereum guys it's going to provide security and data availability got my nerd glasses on look um AI agents are fun it's fun this is the thing AI agents are fun I like the Frameworks personally I think AI agents are going to be absolutely massive I saw a post today something like all the AI agents combined are about $4 billion in market cap whereas

the meme coins are about $140 billion doll in market cap right now so you got to keep that in mind just dog with hat for example is probably around the same market cap that all the AI agents are B and we have much more interesting novel use cases coming out of this a lot of it's fluff a lot of it's a lot of it's chasing the hype I me the amount of the amount of pitches I've had for like Hey we're launching an AI agent hey did you know we've always been at AI Agents come on you weren't at AI agents last week get out of here I know I know I've been following you guys the first time you mention Dam a agent anyway that being said there's gonna be a lot of people chasing the hype and all that sort of stuff but I'm I'm really into

the idea and I think um so so far I've only allocated myself to a few different things I've um bought AI 16 Zed which is the the Eliza framework on salana that's getting huge adoption right now so I think that's very interesting um and I've just started today adding a position for zerro so they've launched the uh zeri so basically an AI agent framework for python developers apparently like 70% of of machine learning happens in Python so I was like oh that's interesting and of course the Ros has been doing look it's silly and it's it's dumb and there things I don't like about zerro like you know making tweets about putting his finger in his butt and stuff like this

like that's ridiculous and silly but then they they dropping like AI generated music and AI generated art and all this kind of really cool stuff as well so there's this really silly element to it I mean is this how AI really thinks of us I guess it's learning from the internet so I guess what I what should I expect to be honest but anyway it's still pretty cool I think the uh the thing that made me pull the trigger on cerebra was its shift towards that sort of framework that they're building out now so I think that becomes um a much more interesting and impactful reason to look at that asset so that's the two assets I've got right now um there's a few others that I'm looking at and stuff like this but I'm

not sure so much I'm GNA be betting on individual agents necessarily I might get one or two just because they're fun and I kind of like The Vibes and stuff like that but uh I think the Frameworks could end up being uh really interesting plays and yeah I know they're not the super tiny micro cap plays anymore they're worth hundreds of millions of dollars but if I can get a 10x out of them I'm pretty happy to ride that wave yeah I really like the the investment in the picks and shovels strategy here versus the individual tokens I think is the safer play unless you want to be following this more like a Trader and on it on a regular basis or unless you have the stomach for the massive swings that some of these AI agents have had guys if you want to learn more about AI agents

go back and listen to our episode yesterday with Sammy who is the AI agent research analyst this guy is incredible he writes content every single day he posts multiple threads all about AI agents he is so deep in the space uh lar is interesting the one thing he said that was a great point was he said uh nobody knows what the market cap of AI agents is so uh I said 10 billion on the show because that's what cookie. fun is saying and then he pointed out to me that cookie and you know you you saw a tweet that said four billion and he said that he on his research he thinks it's actually more probably like 15 to 20 billion but there is no there's no one source that is providing an accurate number yet my main Takeaway on AI agents is two things one it's it's way I think

it's way more fun than memec coins so I think it it it's going to pop like meme coins pops and have that like have that culture effect but then as well it also is the ai ai narrative which nobody can invest in AI it's not easy to invest in AI sure you can buy Nvidia but like just you know that's not sexy exting for most crypto Market Cap N no no I'm not that's not going to get me any that's not g to get you a that won even get you a two I mean I don't know we'll see what Nvidia does but I think that what is going to come in the next year people don't realize how quickly this is gonna happen and when you bring up ai6 zed which is a great one I really like that one too is that that that guy the creator of the

Eliza framework he's been building that for I think a year and a half two years right so there is you like well there are a lot of and that's why you have to be careful to invest in tokens there's a lot of projects popping up saying oh we've been doing aid for years and this what that most of those are GNA catch the narrative and try to pump on that but there are some projects out there that have been doing this for a long time and now that they have crypto they can raise Capital super fast and build teams and we're g I just think we're gonna have I don't think anybody realizes how much this is going to explode in 2025 I think it could be far beyond what anybody expects oh yeah I 100% agree I mean it's the newest iteration of the great ideas

have the crypto you know nfts got this sort of community and all that kind of stuff built right but they failed because there wasn't much going on there mem coins came and built on top of that right so now it was Community plus High liquidity right in ease of launch now we have meme coins that can talk back to you and that's going to be massive it's going to be massive and yeah it's probably going to be one of the biggest trends of uh 2020 so if you're not paying attention to the space it's and I I know a lot of people wrote off mem coins they get pissed off I I see comments for people just strap pissed off and angry and like yelling at me because I dare to talk about memec coins it's like dude it's been the best performing sector of crypto the last

year I'm sorry about your your technical altcoin bags not moving but this is what people want meme coins and AI coming together through AI agents Match Made having literally the two most popular sectors by mind share in crypto by far don't fade it pay attention learn about it and learn as fast as you can because it's gonna be massive let's go let's go awesome Lark thanks so much for joining us today everybody listening in throw a comment in the chat and let us know which tokens you're hyped on right now also as I mentioned at the beginning it's the milk Ro Awards go ahead and vote on the milk Ro Awards and you could get one month free of milroad pro Lark thanks so much for joining us everybody

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