Bettina Boon Falleur, Griff Green & Jerome de Tychey: EthCC 5 – A Recap of This Year's Event #453

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this is epicenter episode 453 and it's a special episode at ecc 5 in paris welcome to epicenter the show which talks about technologies projects and people driving decentralization and the blockchain revolution i'm friedrich anz and i'm here with felix sludge and today we're speaking with bettina and jerome for organized ecc and griff green who is an attendee we'll get to you guys in a second before we talk about ecc let me talk to you about our sponsor this week and that's power swap paraswap is a multi-chain dax aggregator this means that through paraswap you can easily access the liquidity of various different decentralized exchanges the protocol automatically finds the cheapest liquidity for you so you can

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thanks to everyone coming including you yeah hi friday it's so nice to have a placenta come back to atc every year i think it's the fifth time that you we've seen you so this is great to kick off the end of it sister with you cool so before we dive into the content give us the stats so how many attendees how many stages how many speakers how many sponsors bettina i assume you're the right person to address for this right yeah so ed's acid this year it's six stages two thousand attendees 280 speakers over 40 hours of talks and content that will be accessible to everyone and everyone we also have 40 sponsors this year of all types of sizes so the

community coming down to paris has been massive 130 side events to organize everywhere in paris during this week so this is not only what's happening in this building but the entire city living on the rhythm of blockchain cool and as a token attendee we have here griff green so griff you have been on epicenter before for giveth probably like three or four years ago and would it be a mischaracterization if i declared you one of the de facto community managers of ethereum i mean maybe now these days because honestly i feel like bettina and jerome and the other organizers of conferences end up really stewarding the community more than i

in 2016 yes right because of the dao and all of those things but at this point projects are on the sidelines and conferences really bring everybody together in the community cool so tell us about uh your favorite talks your favorite moments um at ecc oh man you know ecc's become kind of a shelling point for ethereum summer you know anyone who wants to make a big announcement they like hold it back or or push it forward so they can make it at ecc uh and uh polygons zk evm was huge i mean this is the holy grail of scaling being open sourced so much work can be built off of that there's there's also just a lot of amazing side events like they said

you know it's really hard to get a ticket to ecc this year and that was like an opportunity for everyone uh for all the projects to kind of take advantage of that and create like that there was a really awesome cello connect event or something i can't remember what it's called but i ended up going there all the time it's just across the street like i don't know if you guys help them get all these venues next door but man it's like this is why ecc is a shelling point because it's like all this connection all this uh you know without communication everyone kind of just brought new events next door so all the people who couldn't get in can just go to these other events and then it ends up pulling people who are can get in to have fun so it's been awesome and uh the

food has been fantastic so many nice desserts like little little treats everywhere you just walk by and you're like oh grab grab and go you know it's been really fun this is obviously the fifth year of ethereum ecc conference i think it's basically like the unofficial biggest conference after defcon and i guess i would be interested to hear how it has changed over the years i guess compared now maybe to the last year which one was your favorite year so far so technically we've been organizing this conference for the sixth time because we were um france was initially involved in a ad con in paris back in uh 2017 when we heard that atgon was

moving and not uh not just staying in europe we felt like we should have a recurring conference in france that's what was the starting point and uh back in concord deaf country i was just bumping into speakers of defcon and be like hey you want to go to paris again in march let's do something so that was my best memory of it like just uh asking lots of people how you want to come and then oh now we have an event to organize so people just showed up in paris it was really uh yeah bootstrapped from from the very beginning and then we started to get better organized and for us as a as a non-profit organization it's the the highlight of the year like yeah this is what we prepare for every year and we watch this uh this scene grow we've been through different cycles

where like 2017 in the ico craze people everybody was like yeah let's go let's go let's go no worries and then 2018 we had we had some more trouble it led us to think about how we can better support the ecosystem by connecting them with different parties so we organized the eth vc track to have the startup be able to meet vcs that actually care about blockchain or kind of understand about blockchain and don't want just to get on the call to educate themselves we wanted to help the ecosystem finance itself and and find a long-term partner in that in that respect so we saw we saw saw the change in uh in the in how the rest of the industry recognized us we have attendees from uh traditional

finance now a lot of them traditional industries as well and also really big vcs coming up to hear what's going on from all over the place what has changed on our end is the the amount of demand that we get for for this conference and that poses a lot of questions on how we should um we should what we should do last next year where we should we should continue to evolve we have also as you mentioned with a lot of side events going around which is great to see uh and and to see pop-up and how we can continue to nurture that without threatening them with a bigger event or a longer event and so on and uh for us it's um it's it's amazing to hear that it's a great conference good memories i have good good stuff to tell my friends

when i come back home from atc um but also trying my best to continue to make that accessible to everyone and that's that's the kind of challenge we're facing now yeah i think to add on jerome's point at some point when you manage to pass the bar as an event where people actually want to come and you need to stop begging them but stop start filtering them it's it's an incredible moment to be at but it's also a very important moment to be sure that you don't get arrogant you you don't lay on what you have you need to ensure that you get better at production next year people's expectations go higher and higher and higher every year i don't know if you can remember when we used to be in another venue sponsors were happy with tables and

pieces of the ceiling falling over their head now sponsors send us their own production companies being like yeah i wanted my booth to be like this and that and so we need to ensure to bring that whilst maintaining as as john mentioned this kind of very low key easy feeling what has definitely changed is getting emails from pr companies like hey i represent xyz and he or she is a great panel moderator do you want him to come like well no seriously it's we we make very very few exceptions but there are there are no panels at atc it's a company where people come to present their work and what what they are doing or what they are caring about we are now in the summer because of kovid move the agenda and uh we usually

we usually do scheduling for for march and now we do scheduling for july but what you come out of uh fcc as you mentioned bettina is the 48 hours more uh talks that the huge video damp dump that you can watch uh enjoy during your summer okay take vacation look at look at what's going on elsewhere yeah look at what the ethereum ecosystem is building so you get a you get a picture of uh what's going on on the research side on on the community side hunter putting things to production side and if you've been able to come to paris and meet people there you also come back with a lot of memory and t-shirts for the next decades and stickers for the next decade and um yeah good memories to tell no i think

you managed to kind of preserve that community conference feel really well and you've also kept ticket prices really low compared to many other events right so basically now there's events where you pay like way in excess of a thousand dollars for like a one or two day conference and that's never been ecc um this this time even uh you actually had to buy your tickets on chain right how did that work out for you it was an interesting experience the idea behind it was to make ourselves even more accountable to the community when you go through a web to process you can start giving out tickets on the side and no one will ever see here the locks are public so you can see what happened

as always both working with web3 and working with startups uh it's a lot of work and there's a lot of elements that need to be bettered every year we have a very fond memory of the way some tickets were sculpt that was an awesome night and awesome times to to go through um so it's trying to trying to dog food the conference is important but at the same time we need to make sure that next year it's a more seamless experience for everyone i mean shout out to the to the unlock team for the work they've done and um how they managed to to deliver the ticket and and check people at the entrance it's important for us to look back and

look at how mature or immature in some way uh those um ticketing systems are in purely web3 approach it's still hard to buy with buy with credit cards something that's limited on crypto uh it's still hard to uh to to properly change the network from to another network and and do something um when we say term community conference do we accept people that don't have a wallet yet or are not really there yet uh we got some critics uh criticism about that like people saying hey if they don't have a nature and want it they shouldn't even go to the german community conference well yeah that's debatable it's not what i think but it's it's still kind of harder and uh when mentioning people that are trying to buy a lot of tickets

at once um a traditional system so have some protection about that and also ease of management for us but yeah keeping it accountable is uh is very important like we as a nonprofit organization we publish our book every year and we publish a report on what we spend in hobbit gate at acc one thing that i'm really looking forward is going to the next devcon because i love to meet people in in different cities but i want to make sure that everybody has a place they can go once a year where they know it's going to happen so having not having a def con uh since osaka was kind of tough for the ecosystem and i'm glad that now things seems to be running for for bogota but in in between uh we really wanted to to work double uh the time to make sure

that we could have in the cc and we can have something going and we're glad that now uh financially uh we are in much better shape than during uh big market pullbacks because we were conscious about what we spend and cautious about how we organize keeping the price of the tickets super low is a way for us to make sure that everybody can access it even if there's super high demand and sometimes you're just queuing and not cannot get in but there are a lot of people stinking in and that's kind of fine we're just trying to be able to organize this even every year that's what matters for us griff just took off his an untake offable uh wristband tell us about the person who bought 200 tickets room yeah

so it's uh it's in the press uh you can read the article on the on the block crypto i think or on direct news so the way that the tickets were sold was uh the tickets are nfts with specific metadata and those metadata are computed after you fill a form so technically you could spam the contract emitting the the tickets but you wouldn't get anything out of the metadata from the computation of the of the form because you wouldn't have been able to fill the form in the first place the tickets were not transferable because we wanted to retain complete control about the transfer of the other tickets in order to avoid people um just making money out of it or or auctioning

them and so on and so someone created a 200 also noisy safes and tried to purchase 200 tickets at the same time triggering 200 transactions from those 200 notes is safe very good piece of software by the way it's safe since the jersey safes control is transferable the idea was i think to uh put the non-transferable nfts on a you know the safe that is transferable and then resolve them which is yeah an okay an okay work around on something we were describing as uh not authorized by our terms and collision and that we didn't want it to support and from a business perspective this was legitimate cells of something that was

useless and so yeah it happened and we had to we had to handle that um and that's one of the hiccups you meet when you are trying to go fully centralized like you expose yourself to other ways of of of using your product then you would initially have thoughts in the various ways um but now it's it's done it's behind us and uh it's giving us more information and more know-how about how to do next year and how to perform better next year and we don't know who these persons are personal persons are and they funded their accounts with coinbase we're not trying to look or anything but that's definitely detrimental to the rest of the community so

hopefully nobody tried to do that next year well we are officially in a bear market although here does not feel like that felix would you would you agree yeah definitely i think i mean it's always been the case that i think in the real community conferences the people that come there don't really care like the builders if it's a bear or a bull market so i think generally speaking that ecc kind of stands for that for me a lot where yeah if you talk to people yeah no one is talking about prices or flirting or i think that's that's really important and

right in the bear market we know like some of the best products get built i think also like a lot of the noise gets filtered out so i think we're seeing that to write like some of the big announcement as as griff said like people wait for ecc and yeah the zke evm for example you can just see like building continues so i'm super glad to to see that and yeah i guess ticket price is lower so it's also affordable and that's great i think it helps that a lot of the side events were also organized before the bear kind of uh hit right so i mean there's so many events on boats or rooftop terraces or there was a pony out in front tell us tell us about that yeah who brought the pony do you guys

know so we had to refuse the lamborghini owner club that wanted to do a demonstration in front of the company so i guess maybe they brought a bunny i don't know yeah no clue who wore the pony i i was just alerted yesterday that there was a house and a horse in front of the mizunde mutuality i was like okay this is happening i don't know what i don't know who but uh i hope it was a great moment for everyone so it's a it's about bringing people and bringing purpose to the to this conference that's that's what it is beer market on the beer market now it's um this time of the year and this time of getting together in the same place it's um it's it's important for the people we meet for the for the sponsor we talked to uh they all talk about like

we are going to meet this team that we are doing a partnership we are going to meet those guys that we are trying to build this with uh we are going to try to recruit a couple of people here and there it's important to have that on your agenda and as time goes by now we are in most of the agendas so that's that's great uh even as you mentioned grief people are like pushing to have the release there and uh sometimes for for some company that we met the the very um very hcc date was the day that they tried to do their product release so they work on the year for the thing that's that's amazing uh when i mentioned evc uh one of the things we were cautious of was that during the the previous uh lower of the cycle uh it was hard for us to find

sponsor it was that for us to um to to finalize the budget and hopefully people that got a raise during the during egc they will think about coming coming next year as a sponsor or something and we are super grateful for all the sponsors that are recurringly coming and recurringly supporting us so that's important for them to to be present and to continue organizing stuff now organizing an event uh when you are from abroad and say like hey i want to i want a place next to this venue and i want this and i want that and outsourcing that to an agency definitely has a cost there are a lot of boats parked around around the venue so you can rent those but i think the the situation between euro and dollar kind of helped because a

lot of the us companies were coming in thinking like wow paris is on sale that's great and that can help on on my end i run a company which is a sponsor this year and we rented the boats in january thinking that oh that's great we're going to do some product release and we are going to invite our friends on our board during the week would we have changed that if we had the option to i don't think so but yeah that's definitely something to consider now as i was saying if we have a lot of demand for the tickets and we create a frustration on not being able to attend the conference uh this frustration will find other ways of to express itself and find uh side events to go to so when people feel

like two thousand people at the event okay there's no more but we could have easily i think open the the the venue to five thousand even maybe ten thousand so there is a lot of uh presence to be tapped in for the side events and that's also what's bringing people to do side events and start where for example runs starting at cc yeah so they know that not everybody that's interested in this technology will be able to go there polygon run a polygon day on on monday i think and a lot of people went there so maybe as we keep the same size of events there will be more and more side events because people will want to to come around but that's tough questions for

the the years to come for us yeah i mean even before coming here i booked the tickets a while ago to get a good airbnb near the venue you know and and uh i made sure that i had a few days before and a few days after because i know there's going to be conferences other conferences there's like a metaverse summit and then there's a sustainable blockchain summit and then there's probably countless other side events that are really awesome actually and and it's like ecc is kind of the general purpose uh you know like everything to do with ethereum you can see the the advances of all the teams and then they each almost have their two favorite conferences that they are all part of you know and it's pretty cool it's a pretty interesting thing

i i'm kind of interested also i guess in paris or france as a community or as a kind of center maybe even for european ethereum community i guess griff maybe could you tell us like your impression did ecc kind of make paris like a center for ethereum or in general how how do you see the community like in europe i recently got engaged so it's really easy to bring uh yeah thank you but it's really easy to bring my fiance to the city of love and you know have all the romantic times and i mean that makes it one of my favorite conferences to go to you can't you know it's it's fun to go to denver but it's not really the city of love right

so i think in europe paris has pretty incredible crypto community you know it's like berlin paris and barcelona they all have their different vibes and i feel like those are pretty much the centers of where ethereum hangs out but you guys and you guys built this so i don't know do you do you feel like there's a pretty incredible parisian community i mean there's a pretty pretty amazing french community even more than parisian um i'm belgian and i know that the parisians tend to think that all france is paris but it's not true and there's a lot of great companies all over france and also i think that the french government compared to other european governments has been pretty proactive on trying to regulate uh

blockchain and crypto and that's pretty huge i mean we can see what the european union is doing right now and it's not the greatest news for all of us and so having this french ecosystem that is trying to drive it has helped us i think also organize it sincerely and manage to have great companies i don't know usually as a as a new startup what are your thoughts on the french echo system and regulation so yeah i think uh i'm i'm look somebody's in french so i can tell like uh sometimes french people and specifically parisian people are starting to think like they are the center of everything revolving around french language well yeah french language let's let's start with that okay canadians sometimes speak french and a lot of important

canadians in the interim community speaks french we start to have more and more people coming from french-speaking countries in africa or in the in the magweb so so also pretty pretty cool to see happening but more importantly paris is easy to reach from anywhere you are in the world in any major capital there are flights to go there so it's making it easy not saying that going to osaka or stuff or going to going to bogota was tough but uh still it's it's easy to reach what i love to hear is that people are coming here to with their wife with their kids with their phone case think christopher said like oh i brought my my 14 year old didn't say like it's it's a nerd conference meeting friends and ensuring what they are publishing great yeah that's basically it or you as a

recently engaged man like uh maybe you can bring your wife to the south of france or enjoy the early day around that so we should get a subsidy because we are bringing new tourism in france we've observed a shift in in the mentality of our politicians in france uh about how they perceive crypto or they perceive blockchain in general from the money laundering and and terrorism funding to oh yeah maybe maybe it's an interesting take that we should we should tap into generally speaking i think there is a natos in french engineering school about uh open source uh open source development software like vlc where we're created by a student project that like

peer-to-peer like like open source nets and so on and we have a few uh good cryptographer and and good mathematicians that like algebra so there's a there's something going on in the in that front and that's uh that's helping us a lot um now what i what i like about uh about france and europe is our close relationship with the germans and being able to do things with them and being able to uh to ping pong between different conferences between events and and and different startup organizations because we have a a lot of well for example people at coast web there are some that are living in paris there are some living in in germany and it's great to see uh those kind of uh of collaborations and uh when we get together as uh as pushing

countries for europe there's nothing that can be stopped there and overall from a strategical perspective for the european union uh it's for me extremely important that we push this kind of technology blockchain technology because it's open source and leveling the playing field for everyone so there's an opportunity to to break a big tech monopolies that are mostly in the us and mostly exploiting our data in various ways and pushing open source and blockchain is definitely something that they should have in mind and we are starting to get organized around the community with lobbying lobbying um parties that are being funded by french companies that are starting to be funded by other companies in uh in europe and

trying to push an agenda of being blockchain friendly in europe i'm talking about adan adan in in france and they are now starting to have equivalent in brussels and so on so uh we are we are making we are making good work here and uh i hope we'll have good things there after after the next uh two or three years of regulation in europe adan has really done amazing work so of other organizations in europe i think adan is the most professional and best at executing so yeah totally i'll i'll tip my head to you guys on that griff you said earlier that you went to hardy's talk about the zk evm i did too

i assume that you guys did also didn't so i didn't actually go to all that many talks because there are so many people here this uh continues to happen to me at ecc i end up going to very few talks and basically i bookmark them you have a really good agenda this time you can just instantly add them to your calendar to me this was a huge win you you click add to your calendar and it just it transports to your calendar this is it's fantastic i love it we need this for every conference but yeah yes basically all the ones that i that i meant to go to and did not make it i would definitely watch them on youtube and they are open to everyone and you've actually done an amazing job in kind of almost live streaming them right they

were up all of them were up immediately this is i mean as someone who's also run a conference in the past this is no small feat so that's fantastic and i think we will all go back to watch the videos after the fact so tell me not about the talks that you have attended but the talks that you will re-watch later there's all these morning talks that are really hard like can we just start the conference at 11 next year because it's so hard to me um i missed kevin owaki's talk it was before my talk and i i i will re-watch it i will watch it in the shower if it takes two showers or three i will watch that talk i'm very excited to see the updates from him i i could

make uh luckily this morning i could make another a different git coin talk that i'm excited about honestly i'll probably miss vitalik's talk today and i'll definitely rewatch that i have to check if he's away all the time oh yeah well maybe he'll re-watch his talk as well then and there's some talks at side events too that i really you know i just couldn't make it because there's too many it's like the coincidence of wants you know it's is difficult to make happen like i want to be here i want to be there even team members you know that i work with on a daily basis there on the other the event wasn't that close so i couldn't just make it you know so like livia gave a great talk at a side event that i helped her with the slides that i

couldn't even go uh what about you guys i'm sure you guys missed a lot of talks i i missed every single one of them except mine yeah well i had to meet a lot of people and to do a lot of things around so unfortunately i couldn't go there i heard the the talk from uh from the the guys from sequoia was really good in terms of uh what you should expect from the from the market and what uh venture partners are thinking about the state of the market i'm looking forward to watch all the talk about gaming because but that's the industry uh i'm i'm in my right now uh there are a few talk about blockchain economics that i wanna i wanna i wanna watch uh notably a barnaba mono making sense of

of roll-up economics so i'm just going to sit down and watch the talks in while commuting here and there and that's uh that's the greatest thing about ethereum you have this big dump of 48 hours of talks and uh you can just enjoy your summer and come back in september with lots of ideas and know how about what's going on around the world same here i think some people binge on netflix i plan on binging on it to see uh as soon as as soon i have a couple of days off uh i really do appreciate during the conference when there's a problem in a room because then that allows me to go into the room and actually listen to a speaker for five minutes and i'm like oh nice one putting it down watching one later the next thing on the agenda i think

that we'll need to update is to actually add to your own list so that you'll be able to watch it after that's that's when it system will become a decentralized netflix as well just a shout out to our to our media partner uh kabuki media who has been with us since the very first hcc recording the the sessions and also editing them live so after the talk everything is available it's available live so you can watch it for free and that's something we owe to all the community members that couldn't travel to paris couldn't give a tickets and so on they are able to follow whatever they want for life there is also a chat that you can you can use to chat with your friend and react to what's going on live and lastly at the end of the day you can watch the

talk that you missed so yeah shout out to kabuki media because they are doing uh tremendous work yeah i can just repeat i guess like many people here that unfortunately missed a lot of content but we'll rewatch it because yeah there's just a lot of people to meet right that's kind of the reason why we come here and then you end up just talking to the people instead of looking at talks but i think that's that's fine i think many people expect that already and then if you have a break or like get the lunch you can go and watch something i also watched the zk evm one because i was like this is probably big news uh for ethereum and um yeah it turned out to be like that so i'm yeah super excited for everything and thanks so much for um having us and for

keeping the the community going in in europe i really appreciate it it's a lot of work and i think super happy to be part of it and have you here today actually and steal you from the other rooms where everything is breaking right now probably yeah if nothing is working we're the reason so obviously so six years ecc five is there gonna be an ecc next year i think i think there is i think there's going to be another to see next year um we need to think about how and what and what we want to change what we want to keep but as you say 2023 paris i think july is a safe bet uh we kind of

loved the heat wave we don't know what's for next yeah you know two years of covid one year of heat wave just give it to us we'll manage it next year yeah as long as that will be breathing and hopefully after i'll be still stopped breathing they'll continue to be in cc because i think this will definitely outpace everyone in this in this organization and everyone in the community we will continue to have things in paris so definitely next year kovido not kovid whatever is going on we will host something and also do count on us to to do something now in what form and what difference is compared to this year it's still up in the air every attendant uh attendees of the of the conference receive a feedback form uh

please give us feedback about what we should do what we should not do we are we are recognizing the problem of the demands like uh yeah it's 2.5 k people total what's that with all the volunteers all the all the speakers all the re-attendees and the attendees from the sponsors and so on so how do we how do we go go from there like uh do we do an event over five days and create a site tracks that are mixed like oh it's the defined blockchain for good so that's day one oh that's the enterprise and any term layers that day two and so on like should we do something over five days well that's creating problems about like how we're going to stifle potentially the the side events also like how do we mix those does it get us to uh not selling tickets

for 100 per day or maybe 500 for the full week like those kind of questions so that's still up in the air should we move to another venue like uh should we move to something bigger uh well if we move to something bigger we could lose the intimacy that that hcc is bringing like everybody's at the same place if we are in a big stadium with uh 100 000 people which probably going to happen next year how how you are going to bump into the grief uh well working at the coffee boost like these things tends not to happen so um also it poses uh financial threats on the on on the nonprofit like yeah if we engage ourselves on a super big event then there is a big market downturn like we would be able to find enough sponsors

to finance the event uh we could also go exclusive like hey make ethereum a term ethereum community conference a sponsor-only conference like hey everybody gets the tickets and you invite your friends and that's it like uh maybe that's that's a possibility or maybe we should consider to have that alongside a student track student selection track and try to bring more students so well if we go that route maybe we should call us ethic eternal industry conference well i i don't know it's still up in the air we're trying to figure out what's best for the community for the the longevity of this conference but there is a definitely a will and means to organize this conference again next year and the year after and so on and so forth yeah and i

think that's part of what makes uh ecc such a success is this mindset of like we don't know what we're going to do next year we're going to get feedback and respond to the feedback and i've seen it every year that you guys just get you know you level up you level up you had pro problems with the old venue you moved to this venue it's great you know different areas used to be used for different things and i i see it improve and improve every year i don't know how you fit 2500 people in this place you must have had some kind of industrial engineer like really figure out exactly where all the flows will be i love the arrows on the on the ground by the way that was really nice especially when you get bumped into a million times you know trying to walk

through a conference giving out hugs it's like okay where's that pink arrow again okay follow follow pinkero i think that this mindset of being open to and being agile will really serve ecc well so what's next for you guys you are going on a very well deserved holiday after tonight i hope well funnily enough i am currently studying so just after ssa i'm flying back to the city of luzan to go back to my studies and planning on taking a holiday in december i was offered the tickets to go to the france grand prix this weekend so going to drive tomorrow night

to lucas today in the south of france and hopefully witness a victory of louis hamilton i hope let's see and then i'll take some holiday in the south of france settle down for for one month and um played a lot of games uh i'm trying to figure out a new cool game to blockchainize with my company cometh then in september just with your work and so on and watch a lot of htc videos well i mean i i feel like i'm on a vacation right now so i don't know this is this is my vacation before i organize a burning man camp with two burning man camps and like we have an art car and we actually throw a conference as well it's uh 60 hours of talks leveling you up but it's an eight

day you know it's an eight day event so we can really uh do it a lot but uh yeah so i actually have for me it's like you know getting back to work and and organizing burning man and all the events that happened there i will go to berlin so i live in lisbon this wasn't mentioned earlier in the cities in europe that have a vibe and a community no worries no worries we're establishing it slowly and yeah so just gonna like go to berlin meet some people that were there or still there that didn't go to lisbon like puerto rica and yeah seeing what the community is up to there and then enjoying the european summer which is always great of course well fantastic what about me yeah i go

back to work this does also feel i mean i've literally spoken with people non-stop for three days but it's it's a super nice uh it's a super nice event it does feel it does have this holiday feel because it's in this really nice scenery so yeah i go back to work we're organizing a conference also later in the year debcon um it kicks off uh east berlin i know griff you're not gonna make it because it collides with burning man and i mean you have you gotta have priorities i i grant you that so uh yeah so it starts uh september 12th september 12th to 14th and it kicks off but in blockchain week we also have junecon ck hack ethe berlin

and so on lots of site events so if you want to make it to europe again september probably a good time to come to berlin cool thank you guys it's been such a pleasure and see you all next year