Aya With Eric Annan

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foreign ation on the Pod today we have Eric from Aya Aya is a talent Marketplace focused on talent in Africa so basically Aya trains talent in ethereum-based smart contracts product design and management and uses nfts to create social identities for candidates and has received 4 000 applicants for from 33 different African countries to go through its educational system um the company trains individuals in solidity through collaboration with consensus Academy and is aiming to bring 10 000 uh developers from the continent of Africa into the space on this pod we talk about Eric's introduction into the

space how that led him to founding Aya and we talk about utility of web3 and ethereum in Africa uh Eric believes that Africa is the next big up-and-coming continent for the web 3 ecosystem and um I just I I'm feel feeling very inspired by Eric's passion and also the impact that Eric is creating I know that early on in the early get coin days there was there was talent coming out of Africa or other places that were underserved by their local Financial system that didn't have access to Western work and uh when when you can receive a payment through get coin and ethereum within 15 seconds and get access to that Western labor

market through remote work then I think it's quite profound especially if you're used to like your Banks using your payments if uh if if they're coming in the Old World Financial system so Financial censorship is a problem in the continent of Africa and other underserved places and so the big idea here is what if we could import access to the financial system the features of the financial system that we take for granted in the west into places in the global South things like stable coins things like access to Western labor markets and I I think that just talking Eric you can hear his passion it's quite profound the work that I is doing to to build a bridge between the people in the uh in in Africa to the web3 ecosystem so

this is the first of many episodes I'm hoping to do on usage of web3 in the global South so trying to go outside of my biases of the people I know in the west and really focus on how web3 is changing the world in places like the global South so Eric is a really amazing speaker he's very passionate very talented and I think Aya is doing some really cool stuff and I think you're gonna you're gonna enjoy this episode coordination ballet Dao is an open Global Collective working to finance and democratize the governance of synthetic biology Technologies to protect the future of our planet research and progress into synthetic biology is critically constrained by the world of nation-state regulations and bureaucracy from middlemen but the potential that

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focus and reputation based Network for Global hiring so can you tell me what you've been building there and and uh what the aim of it is yeah thank you so much of Kevin so before I zoom into that I think it will be proper to give a bit of a background about myself and what got me to here what's up my name is originally from Ghana um I I live in Ghana School in Ghana and started my adventure as an entrepreneur back in 2015 when I did a trick to Nigeria with my friend and with the business that we we actually sent to Nigeria and after two months the business just had a natural day of due to a policy from the Central

Bank of Nigeria and so you couldn't deposit dollar and or withdraw dollar and that business just collapsed fast forward in 2016 early 2016 a friend of mine introduced me to blockchain crypto and that will be the changing uh changing destination of my life and I I never looked back but prior to that I'll actually work in Huawei in Ghana for almost four years and I resigned to pursue a bigger purpose and a bigger machine to solve problems that I believe will impact millions of lives in Africa um so that's a background for myself so um back to Arya like I said I got it to crypto blockchain in 2016. Uh Kevin I

must be honest with you uh my my crypto entry was very sour I didn't have any knowledge about it so I was so enthusiastic going to wait at the first project that was interested to me turned out to be scam and it really really I mean had had the relationship I had I mean it brings my ego but I I don't really hurt it's it's hard to hear that I'm sorry to hear that yeah yeah but the exciting part of it again is I am so that curious person so why don't you tell me something I don't just take it on the surface I got extra deeper to learn more about it so I went to the internet read about it and by the

time I realized it was about three months later on but interestingly I had a book I read a book but I written by one American guy called Thomas McMurray the title was um the rise and fall of the guitar currency the seventh disruption and that would be the foundation with which I will pursue my journey on with blockchain I became an evangelist I traveled across 17 African countries educating people about blockchain I mean building communities and like like us like hey folks we have lost out on all the Innovation that we can we can think of from the first Industrial Revolution to the internet a social media e-commerce I think blockchain was actually invented for

Africa and for us to live for blockchain is the answer for us so I mean our problem so I took it personally even though I lost I lost my fortune and my ethereum was hacked from my my ETA wallet in 2017 so I had had different phases of challenges and pain but I was very excited about the technology I built my first startup OTC platform in Nigeria called digital Kodi in 2017. Fast Forward I co-founded one crypto fintech platform where we wanted to make I mean cross-border payment seamless in Africa called the financial passport uh we built it on Stellar block team and Stella invited us to their very first conference in Meridian Mexico City and my startup product was used by and Stella to kind

of showcase how Stellar blockchain was solving real problem in Africa fast forward that startup field in 201 where a couple of other factors included regulations and other factors that's where Aya came Now Kevin Aya is very important because it is a public good project it's a project that for me is going to change the face of blockchain adoption Africa as I speak there are 30 percent blockchain developers in America 30 in Europe um if you look at Africa we have 1.4 billion people and in terms of blockchain Builders across the world in Africa we are only three percent so Aya is on a mission to empower trained

mental and prepare this young Asia African talent to be able to build using blockchain African problems because I believe blockchain really was meant for Africa not for the West because you don't have any problem that property is solving for you as except with every trade and buy I mean HTF and speculation blockage solving no problem in America or in China but blocking is somewhere a lot in Africa so I am basically is doing this in terms of empowerment prepare the the Builders of a blocked in Africa so that we can I mean close the gap between from three percent to maybe 15 percent in the next five year that's

our goal and that's our mission so that's a brief about Ayah by the way Aya means resilience and resourcefulness so it's a very powerful name because every African wake up every day looking at I mean the challenges are around him if I say look I'm not gonna give up I'm gonna push forward to create opportunity for myself so Aya is really very symbolic name that is kind of unleashing and galvanizing and kind of catapulting the next Builders of blockchain um Solutions across the continent to increase the adoption utility and his ability of I mean it's like a ethereum optimism and the risk base so that many many innovators can come from Africa wow um so I mean it one of the things I I

found really poetic about what you're telling me is your entry into a web 3 involved you accidentally working for a scam project and then kind of getting drugged by them and now it feels like you're going back and you're solving that for all of your peers and and helping onboard people in Africa to like actually legitimate web 3 projects um is that a fair synopsis of of like Aya is almost a response to how you entered web3 I I you I mean you are just giving a Clarity of what it means so I I tell myself the pins I go through is for me to prepare the road for other people to get the right

so I mean all the experience I've gone through through blockchain I submit to say what else can we use the blockchain for Beyond trade Beyond buy and sell Beyond The Bull Run the bear run I think that's career to build there's opportunity in in it and how do we turn around the massive young continent of Africa to Preparing them to become productive and Builders and value created so yes I mean you you're right I think that there are a lot of people who got into blockchain and crypto on the wrong way and some of them are giving up but some of us are very resilient we're very persistent and we think the blockchain is such a public good technology that we can help use to

kind of create that buffer and create a new economic incentive for Africa who are often cut off from a global economic activities right so I mean that's what basically that's what we're trying to do I mean change the order and letting people young people especially have the skills so that they can build legitimate products and solve the problem in Africa the way it helps to be solved or not sitting down waiting for somebody in San Francisco to solve problems for us when they don't even understand the contest in Africa did you say that uh Africa is is cut off from the Global Financial system can we pension zoom on that a little bit what's the history there and you know what's the why there and how has it affected uh

how's it affected the people there yeah that's amazing question thank you so uh ever since I was born right um there are a lot of things I don't have access to so I'll give you a classic example today um my startup is registered in Delaware I have a bank account in the US that bank account provided me I mean to a corporate card my colleague my colleague in the US who's the founder us have the same bank account but he has credit card we have debit card so what it means is that any type that we don't have a dollar in our account our card will stop

making payments but my other colleague has credit card it means that until he maxed out his credit card his can still assess Financial products right across Africa we don't have credit credit card we don't have Financial history so you cannot assess I mean credit facilities you could not use for example PayPal you can access paper in most part of Africa so ultimately you wake up with a kind of a mountain ahead of you blockchain is the only technology that has kind of create access for a lot of Africans to be able to assess Global Financial tools so when I say that blockchain is enabling us have access to global economic I mean economic activity

that's what I mean we do not have access to credit credit facilities without Financial history so you know like the US where people have credit card they can do anything they want to do you don't buy things with cash in Africa everything you need to buy you have to be cash else you cannot access anything and therefore Financial tools like PayPal which has helped millions of people across the world so today it's it's still embedding for us to use not anti-blockchain and cryptocurrency many African young people could not accept paper so that any point they work remotely they don't get paid you can PayPal do not work in Africa most part of Africa so that is the the reality of how the economic structure is created and even if you want to assess

Global I mean banking system it's so expensive for us in Africa imagine sending hundred dollars from the US to Africa from Ghana to be precise it will cost you minimal purpose almost 11 percent to 700 to somebody in Africa and that is not fair but imagine now cryptocurrency with just a dollar you can send hundred thousand dollars to somebody anywhere in the world and that is changing the narrative for us in Africa so that's why I I mean my talking in azuzzle I said blockchain is a need in Africa it's just a nice thing to have in the West because they solving everyday paying sending money from Ghana to somebody in Kenya was a nightmare maybe I mean 15

years ago today 10 years old blockchain cryptocurrency stablecoin has changed that narrative I can do business with anyone who are in Africa today with stable coin because it's easier to sensitive because anybody and the person converted into local currency within a minute it was not as available 10 years ago and blockchain has kind of dismissified that kind of um Gap that we didn't have um clear example was that if you're in Africa and you are sending money from Ghana to Nigeria before crypto then one had to go to us before they get back to Africa and that's how that's how hard it is I hope um I I have provided more clarity on that particular case I made

right well you know I I just like to hear this perspective this non-western perspective of your relationship to your financial system and I think that you know I I'm in America and I've lived most of my life in America and for people who are in America and Europe Europe I don't know if if you understand uh I don't know that people understand how different the relationship is with the banking system in places that aren't the west and how it affects people's ability to get credit and get access to stable currency and uh do business with each other and and it just feels so profoundly different and so the fact that web 3 exports uh finance and the ability to have credit to this part of

the world I think is quite profound um I'll just share one story about early on in founding Bitcoin we uh we had a couple developers from Africa that would that would use git coin in order to get access to the Western labor markets and I remember that uh one of them told me I can't do work on on upwork I can't do work for Western companies because the banks will seize my payment on the way from the Western company to uh to me but with ethereum within 15 seconds someone's able to transfer me money and I think that that's quite profound for people who have not had access to uh to to labor in that way so um yeah I mean it's just great to hear that this that this technology is doing

good out there so I'm wondering um if you could tell me more about about Aya uh it seems like uh y'all have done a lot of a lot of great work in getting people in web 3 connected to people in the space that are legitimate could you tell me more about the pilots that you've been running and the kind of numbers that you're doing and and how it's going and how people can help most importantly sure thank you so much again um so one of the Key activities was my trip across the continent I saw a continent full of Asia young population and like I said in less than it's gonna be six thousand this from now there's

going to be a billion people in Africa that's going to be under the age of 30. this number is going to be more than India and China combined Kevin the challenge is that um to today there's no opportunity for this young folks but the good news is covet has kind of this this kind of this dismantle they wrote the rule or the wedge from Global opportunity like jobs and therefore people now Embraces remote work and therefore we believe that the next hub where young Talent will be will be in Africa but if you don't prepare them to kind of have the right tools now it's

going to be a challenge for us so one of the reasons we started iOS we conducted a research and we spoke to about 500 different young people in about 10 countries in Africa and asking them are you a remote worker we had a lot of people say yes how do you get paid some says they have to use their their families in the U.S to open a paper account some of them uses other platform that cost them our 25 fees so they lose about 25 percent of their income to excel rate differentials and transfer fees and some of that uses their families to you understand sometimes they monitor the account and there's so much

different stories to it right so you these young people get to work with their skills and they don't even have access to their their income that was the motivating factor to start higher but when we started we just built a platform to enable them as simple about opportunities but we wanted to just focus on web3 because we we knew that there were a lot of platforms focused on web 2 um you have a number of them but nobody was actually preparing to focus a lot we want to prepare a lot more people to have this skill smart contract we have three product design why product design because it's still technical for a lot of web3 products right it's still technical so you need to have more product designer to be able to intuitively build product that can actually a UI that can enable my

grandmother in a village access crypto what that they need to know is crypto we are here to get there so we start off and we got a gap and rather that we need to train them and because they were not enough blockchain developers in Africa at the time we started that's 2021 so in 2020 I had a premium to be in Barcelona about I mean through solo conference and I had a conversation with a coinbase one of the guys was were there was there and then I approached him in the coffee shops hey that's what we're doing it's like oh it's so interesting we just want to I mean train some people to have these skills it's okay send me a proposal and we send a professor coinbase and through the appointments giving they gave us a

grant to Pilot the training of web trade talent in Africa Kevin the goal was to just I'm 350 people and I mean get application for 50 people well after the grant was given to us for 50 people and we opened up the application uh forms surprisingly we had almost 4 000 applications from 33 African countries four thousand it was kind of wild people young people are eager they they know because after 2017 um Clash of crypto when people entered for just Dubai now the next phase is how do I acquire the skill to build the kind of paint the likes of vitalik the likes

of I mean um the guys like yourself have built in the space there's evidence to show that if you you have this key can I try to build real product where like a million support can use so for that application where we we got from 33 African countries telling us that there are a lot of young people who are already eager I mean committed to learn the skills but obviously for that so in just two weeks ago we graduated 66 of this I mean I mean new train that we are trained the interesting part of it is seven of them got job instantly because our training was not just about skill we trained you to build products two of them are building their own product in fact as I speak one of them yesterday Richardson that they are already receiving investment from I'm a

local Angel called their product they are building on the blockchain it seems like an amazing I mean project so as we piloted and I'll be able to train 66 now we are taking it we want to scale it up to now kind of double down on training more talent to have these skills not to train them just for them to have job but we're training them and adding up to our Aya lab where we are we are providing them an open source platform to build projects as the Bima project they get more experiences so that we can be able to and connect them to our Network for and them to enable them get jobs so I is a second a three-phase we train we Mentor we prepare them and they connect them to Global opportunities to work

with global um we have three companies looking to die I mean kind of have diversify um teams across the world specifically African planets so that's how Aya is I mean has possible to do uh in terms of numbers I mean of course we have connected about 25 companies so far with African talent in the last I'm six months alone um like the training is ongoing we've done the first pilot it was so successful the feedback we have so far received is my mind blowing um the feedback from the first beneficiary is giving it has given us that kind of pipeline to see where can we improve and the opportunity that is ahead of us in terms of developing the Manpower in I mean for the blockchain space uh interestingly

um we just yet earliest day we had a kind of a partnership with um Oriental the largest YC aluminum diet in the world and to be part I mean to be their talent partner because they are looking for more web trade developers from Africa so that's kind of uh um what we are doing in Africa as far as blockchain with Place consent we are catapulting and harnessing the new potential for web 3 I mean space to support the ecosystem across the world and if you have an African Talent working with you you get two things you get the skills and you get resilience because they bring mother skill they bring you culture they bring

communication and they bring you something that you know you hardly find in other other talents elsewhere in the world in terms of support um at this stage we finish textiles we are textile back company startup and what it means is that we're the first to be in Boston crypto startup I mean um text that crypto I mean supported by algorand we graduated last month from Boston I was in the US for almost almost a month and we are actually in the process of I mean I mean raising our our funding to be able to double down and secure our this at the company to the level that we can be able to be able where in the world so in summary that's what Aya sofa has achieved in the last

18 months I mean thanks to coinbase and their team for supporting our pilot in terms of the training yeah I mean I think the uh you know you're under something when you I I just I see here that you were initially aiming for 50 applicants into your pilot and received 4 000 applications from 33 different countries and um I think that you know that you've touched a nerve when when you see that kind of outsized demand for what you're doing so congratulations on the traction thank you Kevin what does World in which you're maximally successful look like take me five years into the future ten years into the future uh what kind of impact do you hope to have

yeah for us one of uh one of our key metrics is not um as it's not a billion dollar we know we are going to exit at billions but that key Matrix Kevin is the number of lives we are going to impact um how many people can we move from zero to one that is the key metrics so in the next five years the the minimum basic viable product I want to test is to train ten thousand well three um developers in Africa that is a success for us and what that also means is that the upside of it is this if you're able to achieve that that eventually give us opportunity to unlock

a billion dollar market so today so for us in five years success to us means the number of young people that were able to convert them from zero to to one in terms of having that skill the biggest success that will never achieve or we could not we will not be able to achieve which may be painful to us as a team is not getting this Vision executed into its full potential because the African continent is where China was I mean 40 years ago in fact three weeks ago the U.S ambassador to Kenya uh who happened to be the EBC or Mr Whitman made a

statement and I found it very profound he said Africa is the last and the largest opportunity in terms of supply chain and consumer prospects and it is where China I mean southeast Asia the opportunity presented 40 years ago and therefore if you are anywhere in the world and you are working blockchain crypto I mean AI and public good project and you did not consider Africa as go to market strategy then I don't I'm not sure you're actually working in blockchain and that's the challenge I'm giving to the West because your blockchain solving no problem in the US I was in the U.S for almost a month and I was asking myself

what really is blockchain solving here in the US but you have all these amazing protocols in the US or in China or in Europe just like I said we have 30 percent of blockchain developers in in in in in Europe and the US the question is how many of them have understanding of the massive number of I mean young people in Africa how many of them know that every day using blockchain protocols to send money is a pain that is we serve every day how many how many people in the US wake up thinking of how do I send money from the unique from New York to San Francisco or how do I send money from Boston to let's say Mexico City nobody think about that because it's not a problem but for us in

Africa blockchain has helped us solve that major pain if it's not solved any other problem solving payment crossover payment loan have lifted millions of people out of pain secondly trade is the only thing that brings prosperity to everybody Europe is Euro because of trade free movement before blockchain doing trade with your neighbor in in Togo Ghana and Togo in just about six hours drive is what's difficult but today blockchain has enabled us able to trade with everybody across the chain seamlessly without a pain so if you're building any blockchain Protocol no matter how fanciful is it Africa is your Market

because according to chain analysis last year there was 2500 increase or blocking usage in Africa then I started three million people 10 over 10 percent of ghanaians have a wallet not just 220 million people more than 10 percent Nigerians have crypto wallets so just do the numbers and see where the opportunities lies and on chain analysis unchain trade in terms of peer-to-peer Network payment Nigeria is leading the world so the opportunity is immense I've not even talking about identity another thing I know you're going to ask those questions but I'm just giving this kind of data to show that what I try to do is so significant to the adoption the

utility and the usability of any blockchain project anywhere in the world especially ethereum layer 2 and the evm compatible chains we are very focused in in expanding the developer community in Africa by educating more people creating awareness through events hacker tones and that's why we are your we are your right partner to enable you kind of realizing the mission while you set up that protocol and Africa is your go-to not an option well that's incredible well uh I think the the fact that your kpi is number of lives impacted I I think kind of speaks to what you're trying to do and um I you know I think the people in the

west just don't know how big the opportunity is to do web 3 stuff in Africa so hopefully that opens the eyes of everyone who's listening that they should be doing uh they should be doing work in Africa I'm wondering you know if if I'm founder or an engineer or an early engineer at a web 3 project that's not doing work in Africa how can I how can I get involved uh I mean the obvious answer to me feels like check out the i o website at iagigs.com and uh start feeding into African developer talent but other other obvious things that that people should be doing in order to tap into this this Talent network and to the continent of Africa yeah absolutely thanks for that question

so uh for us it's all about collaboration right we cannot do it all alone and there's a certain level of expertise that we don't have it here in Africa I mean if you have just three percent of Africa 1.4 billion people a population that's 70 percent is under the age of 30 and we only have three percent being engineers in Africa it tells you that we need to able to tap into the global expertise so one of the key thing that we believe um Global engineers in web 3 can do is to kind of do a kind of again battle Society so we're looking for mentors to help us kind of Mentor these young people with relevant uh insights for them to be able to kind of execute to

that level in terms of tapping to the African Network yes there are incredible talent in Africa the only thing that if you don't know you don't know and today through your medium I'm sharing to the world that there are incredible talent in Africa who are eager they are resilient they are ready to work from Engineers who are contract product product design product management and I've not even added the others I'm not technical role like Community managers ambassadors and digital marketers content writers you got a ton of this talent in Africa um we are open to work together I mean I mean reach out to our on our platform and Aya we are just very new we have not finished building and then technology yet but we have something that is

already in progress MVP is there I mean we have a talent for seven thousand so whatever Italian you're looking for if you look into Africa you to look into a higher platform we got it and we got it covered and we are happy to work with anybody in the space to kind of expand into the continent the opportunity is in Africa and we are very very we are very ruthlessly saying this because we know that blockchain have traveled to more than 10 different countries are Beyond Africa and I know that I don't see anyone who I heard about travel I was in Barcelona I didn't see what blockchain was actually doing in Barcelona having the US and I I honestly don't know why blockchain really really apart from um speculations and of course there's

liquidity there we don't have enough liquidity in Africa that's I mean another shot for but in terms of pain points that is where it is Eastern Africa in the west it is just some a nice thing to have and it's it's just it's just a um a ticker not a pain thanks for that um well I see that we're getting towards the end of our time and I'm wondering if there's any anything I didn't ask that you want to say um anything you want the audience to know or do uh please let us know yeah so I think I was expecting to for you to ask uh what are the major I mean hurdle or obstacle facing African talents right and that person was going to really help me but since you didn't ask that so one

of the major head um I mean hurdle or challenges African every African faces is issue of trust it's your issue of trust so because it has been a continent that has been in a lack for a very long time um still people do not have a better perspective about the potential of the continent and therefore it creates a lot of mountain for a very good talent a very good founder to be able to accept Global opportunities and I say that trust is the highest form of of currency right and blockchain has enabled us being able to tell our story in a way in a manner that has never been told before and so my point is that African young

people are actually the narrative the young people are tired of luck the young people of this continent we are going to define the future of the world we are the youngest continent and in the next 10 15 years we are going to even have much more younger population the U.S population is declaring it's aging it's not increasing the public channel is decreasing Africa is the continent that is so very very the active young and therefore if you are a startup you are a company you have VC you are a protocol anywhere in the U.S Africa should be your your Target and therefore young people are not saying that we don't have a bad I mean a bad I mean I mean so I mean past we know that that our past has

been wrong but but we are ready to to kind of create a new reality for ourselves we are ready and willing to create an online chain identity an identity that give us opportunity to accept Global opportunities that today is available on the internet economy and therefore the story has changed we are credentials it's normal about what if it's about why not and we are partner with anybody anywhere in the world to create this reality the opportunity Avail to us is not to for us to travel to the us we want to stay in Africa and work remotely so that we can all collaborate create value no more where do we come from it's about value an African Talent are creating

value in the last 10 years young people have created unicorns in Africa young people have created I mean multi-million dollar company I mean startups in Africa the tech in Africa is new it's very nuisance and opportunities now and we are looking for supported Partners collaborators for us to work together to create a new reality for young people because if you don't do it it's not going to be only Africa's problem it's going to be on all of us in our faces and the earlier we do to we work together to create this opportunity seamless opportunities and borderless opportunities I believe we can create a better world where a new Humanity can exist together and create this reality as a result this week There's a network State Compensation about Network State

Network City it's not more about where you come from it's about aligning on a common machine on the common values and I think the blockchain give us that opportunity to create that reality and that's what we are here to do and we are here to collaborate any Progressive Ally public good I mean uh supporter in this space for us to create this new thank you yeah well um I think the work that you're doing is is so important and I feel like I'm learning a lot as a Westerner myself and um uh and so uh for the listeners out there if you go to iagigs.com you can you can check out Aya's website I will also have links in the show notes if people want

to check you out on Twitter and check out Aya on Twitter so thanks so much for joining me on the Pod and and keep up the great work Kevin it's been a privilege to be on the net I mean your platform um yeah I don't think I mean lightly at least a privilege and I I hope the story too from the African perspective will go far and deeper in your community and I I I I am more than happy to answer any other questions my handles are open I'm a public figure I I have everything I have an ultra resume so um please reach out if you have any question if I said something that you I mean you didn't sit well with you please reach out I don't judge I have an open mind let's have a perspective

conversation increases our perspective and once you have different perspective we're able to have richer judgments to whatever we do and I think that I would be part of your world when we discuss value I want to be part of a world where you strong about where you come from but you believe that we can create value to kind of Empower them for the world I'm a public good I mean Advocate and I think education is one of the things that has made me be where I am today and if you can train more people to have the skills I believe we can reduce poverty by emerging and that's a kind of a public good I mean I mean privilege that I have so thank you so much Kevin for the opportunity to engage your community and give an opportunity to sit in your most audacious platform I'm grateful

yeah well uh that's very kind of you to say I um I'm I'm uh profoundly impressed by the work that you're doing and and thank you for telling us about it and I hope we can build a more regenerative crypto web 3 internet together so thanks again thank you Kevin grateful peace of love [Music]