G-d and Crypto: Get ready or get rekt
ETHCC 4 · July 2021 · 39:47
Anuj Das Gupta examines religious and symbolic dimensions of crypto, comparing its narratives of digital value to magic and alchemy. He challenges a purely secular-rational account of crypto governance and argues that beliefs also shape economic and political coordination.
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From ETHCC 4, hosted by Ethereum France.
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okay okay i know it's a weird topic to talk about because you know we think it shouldn't be there the god and crypto together but i will try to make a point that it's much more under the skin everywhere in crypto than we would like to think i mean we have inclination so to begin with so the famous uh is an extract of a very famous influential essay by somebody i will talk about on bitcoin on nakamoto and all of that so if you read it basically says imagine the ideal protocol it would have the most trustworthy third party imaginable a dd who is on everybody's side right that's the ultimate party all the parties would send their inputs to god and that's the name
this person gave god would reliably determine the results and return the outputs god being the ultimate in confessional discretion no party would learn anything more about the other party's inputs then they could learn from their own inputs and the output alas in our temporal world like coming back to reality we deal with humans i mean these people who are not gods and and we are forced to treat people in a nearly theological manner because our infrastructure lacks the security needed to protect ourselves so what is it saying it's saying that and you will see why it's relevant it's saying that because people are not so perfect like gods trusted third parties will always be
security halls you know it's a theological argument and this was made by this gentleman in 1997 and it's called the god protocols and this was a very influential paper so he wrote bit gold and then he wrote this justifying for why bit gold had the the problems in the interestingly the the security problems he laid out in big gold was dusted third parties and white as a star parties are terrible because humans you know people humans cannot be trusted because we are not gods it says a lot about his image of god right so no one is trustworthy because no one is a deity that's that's you know in crypto we had the trust no one thing but we don't think that underlying that there is not always maybe but most of the time this kind of a theme theological theme
of like we are not gods humans are not perfect ones under perfect so let's not trust anybody let math do all the work or whatever right and so you see something again happen another paper it says completely non-reversible transactions are not really possible since financial institutions cannot avoid mediating disputes with the possibility of reversal the need for trust spreads which is weird because if you think about stress in everyday life right like i don't trust my wife because she can reverse what she decided today i mean that would be terrible if like in real life we use like it's real like trust when we use in regular language we never think in terms of
reversibility or not it's basically propaganda and it's ideology it's somebody trying to reframe trust in this kind of way so they can this argument you know in all so many ways hiding the god part and making it about oh reversibility people it's terrible right it is stable but it's not a question of trust really it is problem for many other reasons connection between reversibility of trust i don't see obvious unluck i mean now it's a dog mind crypto nobody thinks i mean most people we think of course but and then he says something incredible this person or people or team merchants must be wary of their customers hassling them for more
information than they would otherwise need like you have a problem with the transaction you made you bought something didn't work out and you try to make a complaint it's considered to be hassling i mean that's a very pro merchant stance that's not at all a pro customer sense it's like the customers we don't like the sorry it's okay if i use language yeah yeah it's like the customers like yeah exactly i mean you're talking about god and come on the customers he's like what is it you know like this is a very pro merchant this is ideology 101 a certain percentage of fraud is acceptable or as unavoidable really i mean because why because we are not god we have to accept it certain fraud will happen humans man if only gods were the trusted third parties
and this is the bitcoin white paper this is you know we think it's an objective i mean some people think bitcoin is or whoever this is not an objective document of sense it's propaganda it is ideology does it have sense of course it is science is it ideology completely so we have many buzzwords in crypto like that you know we think it's like objective and we just like all these words if i tell you most of us will think what we will think of it in a kind of a scientific way we would either think an economic feel like if i ask you trust i mean most of us will think in terms of cause benefit the the cause that intermediation has compared to the extractive value it's a very economic and stem-driven kind of thinking recent remediation contract everything becomes that but there is like deeper honorability to
crypto which i was just saying with all of this and i will try to make a point in my presentation i'm super late so i will be happy and i will stop so so in an unbelievably multidisciplinary environment which is crypto because i just showed you there's like other things that economics and stem it's an actual crime trying to force is more disciplinary why is it a crime because trying to say like the bitcoin white paper does that oh it's all and this is the kind of talk it's all math you don't have to trust anybody people it's economics we love greed what you're doing is you're hiding the actual fact that there's also that's those things are there but there's also like ideological apparatus happening at all times in crypto it's a crime
and so in this talk we will give ourselves a disciplinary alternative hoping to tip the scale and i will choose a discipline that even multi-disciplinary people would never choose right which is theology because you know we have we think we're retired god like i mean come on we are like not in 1700 and who even gives a about god so but i will remind you people that far from the truth actually trying to suppress illusion has become dangerously everywhere now we don't even see it right so theology is the secret which in latin means crypto underability of cryptos it is cryptos crypto like what's hidden in this like we have to decrypt this honorability of crypto it's almost like hidden you know kind of ideological keys you know
so why theology i'm not philosophy because you might think a lot of us what i say is theorem is philosophy because theology deals with the kind of you know study of religions and stuff and religion is never just abstract philosophy that you do like what is the i don't know what is the tableness of table it would never be just that it would be also about performance and practice like how should you sit what diet should you do what should like religion is completely like it's like applied philosophy it has to be or it wouldn't make any sense like you cannot be theoretically religious but not religious then you're not religious basically right so this is why it gives us an opportunity to see crypto which is very much applied also it is not just theory in a paper it is the quarterly the software is the
reality all that so this is why theology gives a very interesting lens and as sabo reminds us it is there so crypto is full of religious attitudes so what we need is theology to see behind the tricks like if religion is like magic like it is magic the way people like convincingly we all think the price will grow up and all those things but to peel the layer behind theology helps us so let's see some of the motivating factors behind the early pioneers of crypto like is it coincidental like this whole religious uh angle to crypto first maybe before i go am i speaking too fast i've been known to speak too fast
i am right it's good it's okay it's making sense okay feel free to interrupt me i mean i get too excited sorry so schroedinger you know the gentleman very famous guy so he escaped nazi germany 1941 he was feeling shitty he was asking the big questions of life is like it's no more okay to talk about physics and we have to talk about what is life because i just barely died so he was like yeah i have a theory of life in every brief pamphlet kind of book he wrote what his life and his entropy is it's basically the way to think about like because he was trying to reframe the question of death because he would i would not give in to the violence that is the heart of nazis and people right she's like it maybe it's entropy that's
the reason of dying why because taken law of thermodynamics tells us the entropy of system constant increases that means like in some vague terms it means order information organization increases in the kind of a plain speak you could think of it as like it is easier to it is easier to break something than to make something because things naturally disintegrate like you need so much more effort to make it play it all together exactly what it was then break it it's just like one kick and that's it right so naturally things move towards breaking but life has those so much of our organization life is not like i'm that isn't degrading right i will in 30 40 50 years when i'm dead and so death is basically when entropy wins
over this other first life force kind of you know and and this is a very recurrent theme in that religion and mythology like greeks had this thanatos versus eros thanados is the death kind of thing eros is the life force i mean christianity all religions have these dark verses like things so what he termed i interpreted uh his interpretation of second law of thermodynamics completely had like ideology all those religious themes because i mean we are we it's there in the air this kind of religious ideas of light and dark thyroid zeros and all that stuff and so extrapianism came about in 60s 70s 80s as an alternative of some people arguing it's very much present right now that
maybe if we can create technology to beat entropy we will be able to extend life reverse age and all that that's called extropianism but but the question they asked that if if technology allows us say by replacing body parts by machines or uploading our mind to consciousness to cloud or whatever right still the problem is our property like if i own today i don't know million bucks and it's in u.s dollars i know states come and go say it's not immortal if states are not immortal but i'm immortal i have a problem i need a way to preserve my property that is also immortal that it will not be saved or attached or held or in custody by anything that is temporary because i believe i want to be immortal
why remember that zavo court because we are our gods it is unfortunate we cannot be gods so it's trying to fulfill that that thing and it comes back in a circle so their whole thing was we needing internal property and then there was uh there was this um the backdrop of this was also they were hanging out with the mormons so there's this thing called mormon transhumanism in mormon transhumanism so in christianity and many religions there's this movement of like after death we will like resurrect our bodies to heaven but mormon trans humanism was like why can't we do the opposite why can't we bring heaven to earth and these people were like we can people technology will make the earth like heaven right and so when they merge together they have these themes of how can we
even if you use technology to make our bodies immortal like like cyborgs or something what do we do with property and and they started max moore uh this online forum where they would publish like ideas about how we can do that and the earlier things that were presented in that was e-money chomps blind signature you know that like that was the forum they were publishing all that the cryptography mailing archive was also about came out of the fork of this forum extortion forum it's not coincidental that this thing of alchemy which is turning pace metal into gold which is connected to you know religion they want to be mortal and stuff because if you can do that you can live forever you can just turn everything into gold and just be like rich and successful and they do that in
bitcoin they turn zeros and ones into digital gold and there's narratives all the time they're obsessed with gold i mean they would tell you it's 1971 and all that bs but there's also underlying underbelly of crypto you see alchemy and then you know if you think of trust it's theology literally the whole question of trust i mean religion theologians have like argued trust faith confidence belief i mean just like a hotbed of of of conversations and stuff i mean and ironic they played such a good ideology part we don't think of we hear trust we don't think religion or anything we just think immediately economics it's crazy and it's eschatology which is this kind of study of
end of times apocalypse and bitcoin has the apocalypse you know it's like usd will fail just you know if you didn't know it will fail but we have an exit bitcoin you don't exit out of bitcoin bitcoin is the exit you know it's the promised land you have so and famous extroverts ralph merkel beyond ralph merkel metzger you know cryptography mailing list where you know tom and everybody was publishing things zabo alphini and literally half any as for their ideology froze his body alcor the founder of alcor extropians right so theology of crypt krypton i will talk about it maybe before that uh i don't does this make sense anybody has questions because yeah it's okay okay okay okay as i said i get too excited
so clockwork i know i will talk about clocks it's all connected believe me so there was this you know moment in in europe uh where they were like we know things naturally disintegrate this is shitty we all die and then they figured out the first device that went on by itself and you did not need to constantly charge it or move it it's called the clock especially the kind of not the sun clock sundial but the clock with the escape and mechanism with springs and stuff which once you do it it just goes on you don't have to constantly do it and that was remarkable because imagine the metaphysics imagine the feelings of it that you know how i have almost like an alien in the room that goes on by itself i mean now we are all used to it and nobody has to do anything to keep
charging it right and it was like the first image they have of what would be some sort of immortality if only we could have the perpetual moving machine and all this kind of metaphors you know and so that was the first automaton the things that go on by itself and automation is the idea of automation is countering entropy like any kind of automation and we automate all the time with technology right now if we did not if we did not have entropy we would just turn something it would go on forever we did not need to keep putting energy and stuff in it right which we need so clocks kind of given hope kind of a metaphor that maybe we could do something so and and this impacted theology because the idea of the of the you know the the the
biblical idea of genesis is that god did all the work in six days seven days god was like doing all the testing of the universe he's like everything kind of works unit testing all that and when god realized everything works from the seventh day god stopped doing and god stopped constantly having to charge the universe and the universe ran is not available so this is why the metaphor that even newton uses a lot is god is the cosmic watchmaker and the creation is watch like it goes on by itself you don't it can it can have enough spring that it can fight its own entropy constantly and it goes in many ways because if you look at the watch a watch is also watching like looking that's why god is also here god is seeing us all the time and any time god wants to know what time
of the day it is god looks at the creation that's what god needs to keep looking at us judging us at all times but the judgment comes after we die you know and the extropians were like we don't want to be judged by god and also we don't want to die it comes together immortality people technology all that right uh does this make sense so far okay i'm paranoid and i'm not confident so so how do you operationalize this theology of time so throughout like the medieval times villages had like centralized in the center of the village a church with the bell that will remind you what time of the day it was nobody had a clock in their homes they completely controlled
time by controlling time they control trade and everything because you cannot have anything without that you can't even go on a date i mean i don't know people did it or whatever you could do anything and they were obsessed with making themselves this kind of clocks why because that would be the image of god so this is why monks by the first people the catholic monks benedictine banks precise who said we will wear a uniform because before that people worked like it was weird to think some people will wear something addressed now we have uniforms in many kinds of industries and stuff but they invented that stuff of like having a routine of like we will have breakfast at this time before people ate when hungry slept when tired but they were like no no no no we have a clock we will have to like civilize
people we don't do the kind of stuff we have breakfast we have lunch just don't eat when you're hungry we don't do that and this whole civilizing process were done by monks and because clocks you know we are because we have to be deities as would remind you and divine intervention is god basically realizing the clock is not working properly this part is not okay just put his hand in and and it's okay again you know that's the one intervention so it's god having to tune the clock from time to time and so god is only present you can also look at it as god is everywhere decentralized and god is all saying as the pan optic computer as guys the watch you know that god sees everything like panopticon was a device by bentham that allows this tangent let's just say god is everything okay
it's interesting when you look at this and when you look at this the the the balance is that but the church was centralized the idea of god was decentralized because god was everywhere nobody could say god was in one place so they kind of found this hack by saying because you could argue if god is everywhere why do you need a church you know i don't need to go talk to a priest i can just make up my own thing they were like no no god is everywhere but you know time is basically the ultimate reality and we think time is objective and you guys don't have the clocks we do have and you guys don't ever judge your life we have so it's all like they were the time keepers they were the time bandits or time cops like the movie right so and this kind of metaphor that
they would have is the real real is hidden you can't see what you see is illusion only the people who have access to god or whatever i can see so this idea of like the real task of philosophy decrypting the real this is why you cannot trust your senses also in crypto trust nobody don't trust what you see verify everything they were doing their part it's called hermeneutics it's a whole discipline where you interpret the bible and stuff like that to figure out like the real task of what is meaning of life and all that so this idea of like something hidden which is of the most important and you need some people to tell you or some discipline to tell you right so if the universe is an automaton which i said it's very much becomes like a kind of a program that can be a program which runs
based on like automation like algorithm and this has like modern incarnations too from one is that nick bostrom's uh artificial simulation which is you know like many people like um what's his name the musk yeah he believes you know the whole world is a simulation and all that i mean it's very much a christian idea and in crypto we have the idea of a consensus being a clock i'll argue the second part so if you look at this text in this paper we propose a solution to a double spending problem using a peer-to-peer distributed timestamp server to generate computational proof of the chronological order of transactions chronological order time timestamp time and the word time is used 24 times i
mean the whole argument in the paper was just like like e money and all those things a lot of things they did but the thing where they all failed was trusted third parties because you can't prevent uh double spending why trust the third parties because we are not gods so i have a solution i will figure out the time problem which anyway is a godly problem so time stamping is like decentralized time tempting server being the key to the bitcoin you know the magic and what time is used 24 times in the eight pages of the very little white paper and so time also happens to be decided time is money time is labor we use this thing so when we sell our time as like when we go to work we do a contract time is labor time is money and that's
also proof of work we were able to like basically prove that it takes so much time to find these knowns and that's the heart of like if time was elastic not objective as then proof of work just wouldn't make any sense then you would just be able to extend time and stuff right so and this goes way back it's not a new thing to the birth of distributed systems in 1970 with lamport's paper time clocks and the ordering of event distributed systems i'm not going to details it's a whole nother tangent but time now time clocks and all those things are like very key to the distributed system problem that he was trying to solve and lampard himself says you don't have to read but the basic idea is times and the idea that he got was from
special relativity and the special relativity idea that newton got was he was working as a clerk in the patent office in bern and he was looking at patents in 1905 of synchronizing clocks why because at that time long distance trains was becoming popular and the big problem they had we were trained for colliding people were dying so then they realized we needed a way to sync all the clocks and they came up with time zones and all that during that time but they also had the technical problem of having to sync times and then einstein came up with he was like i'm gonna step back and even think of time forget about sinking clocks and stuff so this is why all the metaphors of relativity initially we are like trains moving back and forth and all
those things so it is not like coincidental the the the thing of time is like there so let me count the ways crypto has religions so anytime anybody admonishes anybody from ever using the same public key twice without context like you're a terrible person that you don't know crypto properly you know what are you doing or evangelizing non coiners like guys i dude crypto i mean you don't know the banks are evil you know debating which fork keeps which four keeps to have the ticker you know you know the joke that bitcoin is the true bitcoin is that you know they're still debating which is the right bitcoiner which is the right or protecting the secretness of immutability or of it or bdc being monetary anytime anybody even questions it's like yeah here's like oh my god i'm
not even going to debate like there can be no conversation around it no you know and and this whole bible you know exist you know there are people who would like you know recently mr pope school one of the earliest bitcoiners he drowned in costa rica and pompliano immediately tweeted we must not forget what nakamoto said any lost coins makes everybody else richer somebody died can you imagine he's on the beach with pappas school he's like john he's like please save he's like yeah oh you're a sorry i would have helped you but you have too many bitcoins it makes everybody richer i can i want to i know it's social benefit every because bitcoin will become
the new money i mean it's for the earth you're sacrificing yourself i mean if you have to believe that we have to go on a genocide killing all bitcoin people if you really want bitcoin what the you know and that's what happens here it's completely religion and it immediately deleted but this is the underbelly of crypto you know and the eschatology you know like the end of times talk like death of usd don't worry but we have to just kill enough bitcoiners the this is why when you see neeth people debate oh ethereum doesn't have a cap we should have a cab i mean do you want people to like die and we're like sorry it now is a cap sorry i would have helped you but uh you know it's not from me you know can you imagine a court case
where somebody argues i had to kill so many people because nakamoto said that remember so let me crown the ways crypto is a promised land right so scarcity promise it'll never be more than 21 people i promise you like that's you know because i just told you like we'll go to heaven why because we will be immortal people and and it will help us and this actually works because healthy when he was frozen in alcor the way the incentive works is if als syndrome gets solved by the time it gets solved say 10 20 30 100 years one satoshi will be billion because you know we would have killed enough crypto people once associated would be will be a billion and they would have all the
incentives to unfreeze uh any and get it out of his mind where he kept his you know secret keys or whatever right so it's like a weird death cult like one way you want to be mortal but you might have to kill some people i mean what are you doing is you know it's it's religion you know so property promise not your keys not your coins completely hardly promise it will make you happy in the long run keep hurdling people it will make you happy in the long run and if you didn't it's not been long enough you know and pure w promise will launch for rewards brittle promise if you build it they will come or the autonomy unstoppable the promise which is crypto debts are shut down proof don't worry about it anytime the law comes and reminds you it's not
sorry the promise it's a promised land so oracle promise we get objectivity because i don't know some changeling stuff like impartiality that's a whole other theology around like how why impartially it doesn't have to give you objectivity stable current promise will always you want one we might have to liquidate some people but the promises promise come on i mean you know it's sorry and so you know what is religion now you know right and i can go more and more all day long but i think i will stop for some questions and doubts and saying i was complete this is actually a lot more oh my god i interpret dow hard fork and i have many things happening anyways anyway just one little thing one little
thing so this is the difference between sin and a crime and an error so for example say uh my kids have three kids i'm doxing my kids sorry so i have x number of kids right next could be any number so they they do a mistake they for example are to break some new personally in this expensive and and i'm like oh she shouldn't have done that i tried to explain to them but if they do a math problem that is wrong i'm not going to be punishing them just mathematically they don't know how to do math so there's a difference between error and a crime and what in the bitcoin in in this sorry in the heart fork the people who didn't want the fork the classic people they said it's just the
error math error economics incentive error it's not a crime so the moment you make everything in an error not a crime you cannot have a moral argument about right and wrong because then everything just becomes a number you know somebody just did the wrong math i mean you can't blame people it's like if somebody murdered somebody they did not mathematically you know predict that putting the knife in the throat kills them you know it's just a error in the it's like a robot it's the error in the visual system so you have to fix the bug in the brain and that's it and then you have squat scorpio i mean that should be crazy that happens right and then there's the idea of a sin which is different than crime error in sin even if you pay back for the mistakes you did you never really undo the mistakes you
do so for example say today i um you know i i didn't i did some horrible thing where the entire company of 100 people got basically broken stuff and i like cheated people and all that stuff right now i might have to go to jail and at 20 years i serve and at least i would not be put back to jail because i served my time i did time again the time idea right did time but even if i did that from a moral angle i could never go back in time and undo what i did i have to live with the fact that i did that to people you know so there is a sense of undo ability that sin has that crime and error does not have like you can never undo it you can pay back
but not undo it and so and the only thing you can do as a result is get forgiveness from god because you cannot undo it so in catholicism when you get married in a church you cannot divorce because you cannot undo it you can annulate and this is this undo ability is called immutability you know that you cannot undo it you know so this ambit immutable regime makes sin makes every problem in crypto considered a sin this is the religion of economism i should stop sorry okay so any questions doubts disappointments
it's a lot more tendency to be gone everywhere but uh this is deep like this all religious thing in crypto like so what do you guys think i don't know what were your expectations or thoughts i can continue with my slides i have like lots of slides but i don't want to put too much on everybody did you guys think of in a crypto and religion before did it make any sense nobody's asking questions i'm no i'm insecure yeah please oh yes i will go to the warning directly directly i can do pop theology i have a loop of theology later you see
even like too much to be said about that you know the quote that we can't touch this can't touch this you know or it's like hurdle saved by crypto you know it's a new religion completely genesis block why did you go to genesis like what is it the manifesto is the respect the white paper what it is like state from money state from religion all the secularism you keep hearing key ceremony bootstrapping ceremony forking as a rider passes me magic reach a lot of time come on i mean what if minus two can all select doctors you know what do you think about that how would mev work if miners took an oath i don't know why is nobody talking about that and what's the i'm god by the way god is speaking to
you right now this is the danger by the way this is the that can happen is it'll create a new world religion that eclipse all religion you know why because nobody will think it's religion tourist economics it's science objective sorry please god speaking to a comment but i think there is a lot more religion in bitcoin than ethereum like this just uh oh yeah yeah yeah yeah what do you think about that like oh my god you're talking about the investments or whatnot no sense that if you if you're building stuff like it's less of a cult like yeah i mean i mean ethereum is there let's have a call well it's difficult not that it's not a call to balance
because there's no pluralism in ethereum like i would not dare to give this talk in bitcoin miami you know because i have x greater than zero number of kids so it's not a good idea but here you can do that i will get some smiles some might think i'm crazy but you know it's still you can talk about this you know and and many of the reasons you can talk about this is it's a very different kind of crowd that ethereum has than bitcoin has because bitcoin the kind of crowd they were like uh extraordinary that was talking about zabo and everybody else for example for them it's like they are so traumatized by death i really i'm really quite convinced that you cannot debate them because they don't realize how traumatized and they're they almost feel like
you want me to die is that what you're saying you know i'm like no i think they meet you want me to die like no i didn't say that you know but that's what happened so you have to you know unpack the religion out of it too like you know so so i mean some things you can still talk about in ethereum and before it's too late i'm going to talk more about it so it never gets to the point yes please who or what is the closest figure to god in crypto space oh i mean since we were talking about there's no one god there's many and ideas are god like the huddle that's god like you know it's like maybe i'll show you a quote you know okay this is a good one in the beginning
was the code and the code was hanging out with god soon enough some came to the conclusion that the code was god and it is god you can't change it immediately remember all in a hurdle all of this happened thousands of years ago knowledge worn then lost and rediscovered like an atlantean shale erupting from the crystal clear waters of some caribbean island now archaeologists deny its evidence but a clever few have some to read these inscriptions maybe we had this clear review we could pat ourselves on our back i have a question more the thing is that i don't know italic as a person but i know that eternal life is like a topic for him he's like
he's also in this kind of camp and how do we see this or it's like a coincidence or because it's it's easy to to to talk about the other uh i'm going to give indirect answer because you know everything is also political not just religious i'm going to give it because i'm part of the community i will be indirect about my answer because here you know i talk about this particular situation sorry i'm doing this indirect thing i hope you forgive me so if you see vitalis twitter page you see this person's name
on the on the profile you know and the fable of the dragon tyrant so i mean you know so any other question sorry no answer hey um so we just got a question what is god looking like in blockchain space right and i know that we talked previously about different forms of gods and knowing that we are mostly impacted or influenced by the western philosophy and we are coming from the west so maybe just um briefly speak about what else might god represent in the world like japanese culture and stuff i was interesting because uh the thing is i mean i come from india and
i did more like buddhist theology than christian or jewish a little bit they're very interesting differences which is like important to say that so um i mean there uh the whole angle is not our belief in god for example so and this might be a tangent so feel free to stop me if i'm going too crazy so the it's like this whole idea of like you have to believe in a god and then your religious is a very protestant idea so what happened was after martin luther there was this person who was obsessed with belief and created a whole framework his name was reverend thomas base and so he came up with this idea that you can have beliefs and prayers like evidence and you can keep updating so and his whole idea was can i create a proof of the existence of god
and he created a whole system out of that and now we still have this question of like do you believe in god why is it a bad question so for example if i'm i know i often think of captain spock from star trek i don't know if you guys know it's an amazing guy i often think what would he do i don't believe he's real not one bit but do i not think about him oh i have two minutes left all the time so belief doesn't really capture the reality of religion because a lot of people do a lot of things not because they believe it's true or false which is do because we just do and by the way the person the reverend thomas base the framework is called bayesian statistics so i mean based on statistics is basically a controllogical proof of god
so anytime somebody using the statistical model they're doing a lot of theological work actually which i don't agree with for example even the idea of religion is so badly understood because of a certain kind of ideology and propaganda that we constantly do religion without realizing we are doing religion and we will be wrecked if we don't wake up and see religion for what it is you know how we are doing it to each other how it is doing to us we would we don't do religion so much knowingly as it it does us because we don't even know we are doing it you know because we don't know where to we don't see religion for what it is we think it's a belief system in some book that some people it's like people go to church we think they believe in god of course nobody
believes there's an actual jesus giving them stuff in the church nobody actually believes it i mean if you really the most rational people ask them but we do it because it's not belief it's a leaf so elif is a whole nother framework i can talk after that yeah i guess example over yeah yeah i have a quick question i loved your talk thank you so much if you can share your slides that will i will definitely i will share the creed is the new religion of no religion but i will leave you with the last slide which is i'm i'm really i'm not exaggerating one bit one bit not even one bitcoin one satoshi bit
you know and this you know this is really what is what's what and i mean small me once more example you know like throughout centuries we have an altar at home that we pray and we say god can we get blah blah blah and the author wouldn't reply back which is all right stoner or whatever it's an image but now we have an altar that replies in the middle of the house it's there it's an echo right and we constantly talk we tell all our dreams or our phone all our dreams like siri can i i don't know can you tell me the weather or do you tell me can you love me today or whatever right and it replies back and it does what he asked like siri cannot remind me to buy this thing it will do so it's the same thing of having to tell
all your wishes and dreams so dreaming it will fulfill everything and now it fulfills everything and that's why it's like now we have like gods which are programmatic that replies and is so much more powerful this is where all this privacy rhetoric like people are too stupid to give all their data they don't realize we have always given our data to god always told all our wishes and dreams and prayers and stuff and we are doing it now and this is why they are the new gods all the tech devices and all the people and everything to you know sorry guys yes yes yeah listen to my talks more i don't know
i'm the new teacher that's it thank you you